New Y-DNA study from Iran (Grugni et al. 2012)

[birko19]

How can the Assyrians of Iraq (or Syria or Turkey) be more diverse yet lack R1a?

In terms of sects/groups/churches, Assyrians in Iraq are more diverse. Most Assyrians in Iran trace their background to Urmia. While in Iraq there are Assyrians who trace their home villages to Nineveh, Duhok, Hakkari, Urmia, etc.

The finding of IJ*-M429 lineages in this study is huge!

I'm kind of skeptical on some of these results to be honest. In any case, if it is the case, it's probably some undiscovered lineage that is a sister clade to I and J, but that's assuming the study is accurate.

[beyoku]

Not knowing really anything about the population histories or the people of the Area this study had a very good introduction in giving that background info.

[yahooland]

assyrian 55% r1b1a2a ;well only 9 people tested but still.



edit: just see 23.1% for the 39 people .


were Assyrian that powerful before ?

[birko19]

assyrian 55% r1b1a2a ;well only 9 people tested but still.



edit: just see 23.1% for the 39 people .

Embrace your Neolithic Near Eastern roots

[yahooland]

Embrace your Neolithic Near Eastern roots

sharing a close and ancestral haplogroup doesn't mean they're my ancestors ,we just bot share a common ancestor and Assyrian empire didn't exist when the first R1bs were in europe .

[birko19]

sharing a close and ancestral haplogroup doesn't mean they're my ancestors ,we just bot share a common ancestor and Assyrian empire didn't exist when the first R1bs were in europe .

I said Neolithic, not Assyrians.

[yahooland]

I said Neolithic, not Assyrians.

i was assuming when you said neholitic roots you were refering to the assyrian but i just realised assyrian empire didn't exist in the neholitic

[saran]

The finding of IJ*-M429 lineages in this study is huge!

They did not type all the J defining markers such 12f2 or M304, only P209. Downstream I is missing in both populations with M429*, but both have a variety of downstream J.

The R-M207 in the paper is also likely R2 as they did not type M479.

[Wojewoda]

I tried to calculate correlation coefficients between haplogroups listed in the paper for 44 populations and IE language speaking. This is what I got:

I	M170	0,28
R1a	M17	0,24
R	 M207	0,21
L	M357	0,14
R1b	 M73	0,14
J2	M12	0,13
R1b	M269	0,05
L	M76	0,03
C	M216	0,03
R2	M124	0,02
E	M78	0,01
O	M175	0,00
H	M69	0,00
J2	M47	-0,05
F	M89	-0,05
N	LLY22g	-0,06
B	M60	-0,08
R1b	M343	-0,09
L	M317	-0,14
G	M201	-0,16
J2	M92	-0,16
R1	 M173	-0,17
Q	M242	-0,19
J2	M67	-0,19
E	M81	-0,19
J2	M410	-0,20
E	M75	-0,20
NO	M214	-0,22
E	M33	-0,22
P	M74	-0,22
J2	M172	-0,23
E	P2	-0,25
E	M2	-0,27
Y*(xBT)	M91	-0,31
E	M35	-0,32
J1	M267	-0,32
T	M70	-0,41
E	M123	-0,45
J1	PAGE08	-0,52

[Humanist]

Regarding R1a and R1b. There is something of possible significance that has not been mentioned.

Refer to the results of Yepiskoposian et al. (2006), for the different Armenian regions:

hgx	ARA	IRA	KBA	NOR	SYU	WES
hg1	22.70%	32.10%	42.80%	22.20%	40.00%	22.20%
hg3	0.00%	1.80%	5.60%	4.20%	9.30%	3.30%
hg29	0.00%	0.00%	0.00%	0.50%	0.00%	1.10%

Tyler-Smith and Jobling YCC
hg1 P*(xR1b8,R1a,Q3) Q1a/b,R1b,R2
hg3 R1a1
hg29 R1a*

POP	R1b	R1a
SYU	40.00%	9.30%
KBA	42.80%	5.60%
NOR	22.20%	4.70%
WES	22.20%	4.40%
IRA	32.10%	1.80%
ARA	22.70%	0.00%

POP	R1b	R1a
KBA	1	2
SYU	2	1
IRA	3	5
ARA	4	6
NOR	5	3
WES	6	4

From Grugni et al.




Also. Note the position of T-M70. I have noted several times that Y-DNA T is underestimated as a possible signal of Semitic language speaking people movements in certain parts of the world.