Clandestine Homosexuality in the Greater Middle East.

[justhere]

I have noticed the most macho, hyper mascluine, homophbic countries in the world, infact enage in far more clandestine homosexuality than liberal Western European/North American socities where homosexiality is tolerated.

Arabs, Turks, Caucasians, Iranians ad afghans are some of the most hyper macluine and homophic people in the world, but behind the scenes they enage in it far more frequantly than pre-marital Male- female sex witch is taboo.

On travelling in arab coutries I noticed men hold hands and kiss each other yet women never socilaze with men in the open, I was told first hand how common male-male sexuality is within the family and friend setting in Middle Eastern socities.

This is epitomized by the practice of Bacha Pazi In Afghanistan/Iran/Pakistan, where young boys are taken to dance for older and then sexually abused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwQeMpIvjPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNUxq...eature=related

[Mista_Justicia]

I have noticed the most macho, hyper mascluine, homophbic countries in the world, infact enage in far more clandestine homosexuality than liberal Western European/North American socities where homosexiality is tolerated.

Arabs, Turks, Caucasians, Iranians ad afghans are some of the most hyper macluine and homophic people in the world, but behind the scenes they enage in it far more frequantly than pre-marital Male- female sex witch is taboo.

On travelling in arab coutries I noticed men hold hands and kiss each other yet women never socilaze with men in the open, I was told first hand how common male-male sexuality is within the family and friend setting in Middle Eastern socities.

This is epitomized by the practice of Bacha Pazi In Afghanistan/Iran/Pakistan, where young boys are taken to dance for older and then sexually abused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwQeMpIvjPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNUxq...eature=related

Okay firstly 'Bacha Bazi', spell it properly please, only occurs in Afghanistan and Pakhtun majority areas of Pakistan and even then it is a very very small minority of people, DO NOT try and tar the whole country with one brush!

Men kiss each other on the face when they greet in many European countries too, it is NOT a sexual thing, just because people in the west are trying so hard to be masculine.

You think England isnt one of those OTT Masculine and OTT acting countries?
Come up North and you'll see, aint no airy fairy Southerners round 'ere

But on a serious note, shut the f**k up troll

[justhere]

I have nothing against homosexuality. And no I don't think the English or other Northern Europeans are a particullarly macho people. Medditerenean and Middle eastern men are generelly very macho, hyper mascluline and chauvenist. I know from first hand accounts what I said about the Middle East is true, A Jordanian man I used to know told me how common homosexulity is in the Middle East under the surface.

In Saudi Arabia, the vibrant, if clandestine, gay life described by Whitaker is out
of bounds for lesbians. The truth is that while gay men are free to go out, meet
their friends and party (more so than heterosexual men, according to one of his
interviewees, p. 56),
http://dissentmagazine.org/democrati.../d6Simonon.pdf

[2kayglobal]

Edit: Actually, nvm. I responded to his statement that in in "many european countires" men kiss other men as a greeting. The statement is so fucking stupid that I can't even bother to discuss it.

[ItaloPortuga]

I´ve heard of this phenomenon occuring in nations such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, where gender segregation is enforced by the Islamic government.

[justhere]

I am fully aware cheek kissing is the norm in Southern Europe, but I was specifaclly talking about sexually repressed Middle Easterners who repress and segrgate women yet udner the surface enage in homosexul acts as a form of escape. Even in countries in Caucasia ad Turkey it is cladestine homosexuality is very common place even women do not have to cover up. Pre marital sex is punishable by death in some countries of the region, even countries in countries where pre-marital sex is not illigel it is Taboo in most rural socities and can result in death or family blood fueds and vendettas.

Working in Lebanon for a few months I become aquianted with a Druze man who told me that their was a girl in his family that was killed for running of with a Sunni Beduin man as a boyfriend, she was found dead in a ditch the next week. He was also later killed after which his family retalated and their had been a blood feud between them for 30 years of tit for tat killings. He also tolf me that behind closed doors the male friends ofte engaged in homosexial acts away from women, both pre-marital and married men.

[Crypto]

In the accounts of Lawrence of Arabia you can see how the Arab warriors indulged in homosexual sex all of the time. A guy who worked in an Arab country (I forgot which one) also told me that homosexuality is very common. An Arab used to bring him flowers everyday until he figured out that this wasn't just a sign of welcome.
I think this kind of things are common among all the nations in which women are degraded to the role of objects. Since intellectual flirting can't take please between a man and a woman (because of the lower role associated with the latter), men flirt with each other. This was common in Greece and Medieval Europe too (read Plato and Shakespeare).

[blue3000]

Medieval Europe was far from gay.

[Janos]

Medieval Europe was far from gay.

yes, but the fashion was leaning towards feminine, and there existed a male ideal of the noble man who resisted his lusts.




I'd say the 1600's had the most masculine ideal of the old times.

[blue3000]

yes, but the fashion was leaning towards feminine,

Perhaps in the nobility.

and there existed a male ideal of the noble man who resisted his lusts.

That's because of the church and christianity.


When I think of middle ages I think of knights and princesses. Masculine warriors and feminine women.