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Anyway, topic: Y-DNA frequencies of the Americas, any good information available?
I could not find any studies with R1a R1b since all the studies seem to focus on Indigenous Americans, but R1 is included. Regardless Wikipedia has a very nice chart with paper references and links for Indigenous American YDNA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h...f_the_Americas
Considering the new R1a SNPs and their age estimates, there's really no need any longer to look for another proto-Indo-European Y-DNA than R1a. It's the perfect marker, showing the perfect spread from somewhere in Eastern Europe, at the perfect time.
Combining this insight with an analysis of Y chromosome variation within the Graeco-Armeno-Aryan group, it appears that Graeco-Armenian is characterized predominantly by J2+R1b related lineages, while Indo-Iranian by J2+R1a related lineages. The evidence for Tocharian would involve J2+R1b related lineages. Overall, it would appear that the earliest J2 core of PIE affected two different groups of populations living on complementary sides of the Caspian:
The trans-Caspian R-M17 population followed an early (3rd, or late 4th millennium BC?) north-west trajectory into Europe (associated with northern European groups such as Balto-Slavic and Germanic) as well as a later expansion (2nd millennium BC? associated with climatic deterioration in BMAC) that brought Iranian speakers to the steppe, as well as to Iran, and Indo-Aryans to South Asia.
The cis-Caspian, trans-Caucasian R-M269 population followed an early (late 4th millennium, early 3rd millennium?) expansion into Europe, probably together with J2 in the Balkans (Graeco-Phrygian, perhaps Thracian), and arriving in the form of Bell Beakers in Western Europe (Italo-Celtic), as well as a later (2nd-1st millennium BC?) expansion to the east (Tocharians)
The way I see it, there're two types of people: those who spend their lives trying to build a future. And those who spend their lives trying to rebuild the past.
Yep, he openly admitted that he had been living in "open_relationship" with another R1a-male (DNA-forum regulars might remember him as 'Boromir').
The way I see it, there're two types of people: those who spend their lives trying to build a future. And those who spend their lives trying to rebuild the past.
Whoa now, there are plenty of us with R1a in the world. Somebody must be passing on our y dna genetic markers. Actually, when I think of eastern and central Europeans, I think of tough men who chase women.
The way I see it, there're two types of people: those who spend their lives trying to build a future. And those who spend their lives trying to rebuild the past.
well ,it's wasn't mean to be really funny. I was mocking elias theories by saying this non sense , i don't see where you see an hate speech,a troll speech maybe .
But since i think about it ,it's maybe better you deleted it since Elias is very sensible to the subject especially when it's about the gayness of the R1a,I'm sure i could have get QBQ banned for this.
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Originally Posted by muso
Whoa now, there are plenty of us with R1a in the world. Somebody must be passing on our y dna genetic markers. Actually, when I think of eastern and central Europeans, I think of tough men who chase women.
yeah if it was really the case and also if we also follow elias ridiculous theory of the proto-celt being R1a , Western-europe would have been at least 60% R1a by now.
Originally Posted by EliasAlucard
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