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Thread: Caucasoid Y-DNA and Caucasoid mtDNA in Han Chinese

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    Default Caucasoid Y-DNA and Caucasoid mtDNA in Han Chinese

    Here is my collection of Caucasoid DNA data in Han Chinese. Keep in mind these Caucasoid DNA were not neccesarily contributed by Caucasoids such as the Persians, Tocharians, Arabs, Sogdians. The Turkic people (Half mongoloid), Uyghurs, especially the Kaifeng Jews and Hui also would have played an large role. The ethnic Hui are descendants of Central Asians, Persians, Arabs who intermarried with Chinese. They have 6.7% - 7% mtDNA T1, T2 and 30-42% R1a, R1b, J2, G2c The Kaifeng Jews were descendants of Jews who had intermarried with Han Chinese, due to marriage with Han Chinese they are physically indisguinshable from the locals, many also assimilated into the Han population and lost their idendity.

    West Asian/Central Asian males married with Han Chinese

    " the Ming administration instituted a policy where all West and Central Asian males were required to intermarry with native Chinese females, hence assimilating them into the local population. "

    Iranian/Arab/Turkic/Sogdians married with Han Chinese

    " Iranian, Arab, and Turkic women also migrated to China and mixed with Chinese. Iranian women as dancers were in demand in China during this period. During the Sui dynasty, ten young dancing girls were sent from Persia to China. During the Tang dynasty, bars were often attended by Iranian or Sogdian waitresses who performed dances for clients. "

    Hui men/women married with Han men/Han women + Uyghur men/women married with Han men/Women

    " Han women who married Hui men became Hui, and Han men who married Hui women also became Hui.[71][72][73] In 779 the Tang dynasty issued an edict which forced Uighurs to wear their ethnic dress, stopped them from marrying Chinese females, and banned them from pretending to be Chinese. The magristrate who issued the orders may have wanted to protect "purity" in Chinese custom.[74] Han men also married Turkic Uyghur women in Xinjiang from 1880–1949. Sometimes poverty influenced Uyghur women to marry Han men.

    Caucasoids haplogroups in Chinese

    http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Tanaka_2004.pdf
    http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articles/PMC384943?table=TB4/
    http://www.mendeley.com/research/mit...-china/#page-1

    Caucasoid mtDNA W, T1, U2, J, K, HV, JT, UK ect

    Qinghai 5.1%
    Yunnan 2.3%
    Guangzhou 1.4%
    Liaoning 2.0%
    Shandong/Liaoning/Changsha 3.28%
    Hong Kong 1.34%
    Dongguan 4%

    I have no data on Caucasoid mtDNA in other Chinese province and city.

    http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/conten...7/F2.large.jpg

    Caucasoid Y-DNA R1a, R1b, J, T, E3b1b1, G2a, H1b ect

    Gansu

    49 samples 3.8% R1b1c
    34 samples 0%
    39 samples 5.2% J2a and R1b1b
    19 samples 0%
    50 samples 0%
    20 samples 10% R1a1

    Guizhou

    27 samples 0%
    15 samples 0%
    18 samples 5.6% J1
    107 samples 0%
    58 samples 0%

    Henan/Kaifeng

    45 samples 17.7% R1b1, R1a1, G2c
    25 samples 9.8% G2 and R1a

    Shandong

    23 samples 4.3% R1b
    57 samples 0%
    40 samples 2.5%

    Yunnan

    13 samples 0%
    14 samples 7.1% J1
    58 samples 0%
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    Very interesting - thanks!

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    wats the point of this ? revendicating chinese civilization as "white origin", nodicist style ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotibus View Post
    wats the point of this ? revendicating chinese civilization as "white origin", nodicist style ?
    Chinese civilization was never of white origin. The skulls found in the Yangtze river and yellow river were all 100% Mongoloid skulls and that's somebody nobody can deny.

    https://ccrma.stanford.edu/CCRMA/Cou...20a/flutes.pdf
    " A careful study of the bones of 400 individuals removed from more than 300 graves indicates that the Jiahu ethnic group may be identified with the North Asian Mongolian group, and also with the Xiawanggang and Miaodigou groups in Henan Province and the Dawenkou, Yedian and Xixiahou groups that were later found in Shandong Province. The range of male heights was from 170 to 180 cm. In the late Palaeolithic Zhoukoudian Cave,`unspecialized' Mongoloids were described6. By the Yangshao period (3000 BC± 5000 BC)7, the skull measurements are `physically Chinese' and `modern'6. The physical similarity of the Jiahu people to the later Dawenkou (2600 BC±4300 BC) indicates that the Dawenkou might have descended from the Jiahu, following a slow migration along the middle and lower reaches of the Huai river and the Hanshui valley. "

    Racial & Cultural continuity, from Yangshao to the Shang.

    http://donlehmanjr.com/China/china%2...k2/china23.htm
    " Racially the Shang were Mongoloids, like the preceding Yangshao and Longshan cultures. The Shang bones are indistinguishable from the Longshan. The Shang were not invaders from the Middle East. In addition to racial similarities, the Shang also shared cultural similarities with the Yangshao and Longshan cultures. "


    There was never any caucasoid skulls found in eastern China only in East Turkistan AND West Mongolian. It's silly how there are people talking about white mummies found in western China when it's actually just East Turkistan. Besides even the provinces of Qinghai and western Gansu are originally of Tibetan and Tibeto-burmese ethnicity not of Han Chinese ethnicity, the heart of Chinese civilization are miles away. Legends claimed the sun gods who were blue eyes and blonde hair does sound European but not if they were also flying in spaceships and had reptilian appearance like ancient records described. them as

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    This certainly demonstrates the migration of people in ancient times and the mixing that has occurred throughout history. In this case, I am sure the Silk Road, and its associated trade, were the primary reason for these various peoples coming into contact with each other and mixing.

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