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    THE DEMISE OF GUYTHINK

    December 27th, 2011

    Empathy, political correctness and the feminization of Western culture — and why we should worry

    A few weeks ago Jeremy Clarkson, a well-known British TV personality, was asked on a BBC talk show what he thought of an ongoing strike by UK public-sector workers. He replied:

    I’d have them all shot. I’d take them outside and execute them in front of their families. How dare they go on strike when they’ve got these gilt-edged pensions that are going to be guaranteed, while the rest of us have to work for a living …

    Now, it was the sort of exaggerated remark that wouldn’t have seemed out of place at a pub or a even at a cocktail party. People would have understood it as an example of rhetorical excess – particularly coming from Clarkson, who indulges in it fairly often. Somehow, though, Clarkson-style rhetorical excess is considered threatening to the fragile minds of UK TV viewers, and so this episode triggered the familiar expressions of outrage, demands for his firing, etc. – from the usual offense-takers and outrageists, who by now comprise a sort of immune response against any flareup of un-PC talk in the media. (Both the BBC and Clarkson had to apologize.)

    The PC/un-PC battle of the past two decades is winding down, in favor of the former; and besides, it’s old news. But there is an aspect to this struggle that seems worth highlighting, because to my knowledge no one has picked up on it.

    To begin with, the phrase “take them outside and execute them in front of their families” – like the classic “bomb them back to the Stone Age” (attributed to USAF General Curtis LeMay) – represents a distinct strain of un-PC talk. It offends not because it takes an archaic view of some minority, but because it takes an archaic view of violence and punishment.

    Note, however, that “take them outside and execute them in front of their families” is not just an impulsive, brutish expression of anger. It contains a far-sighted strategy: not simply to punish miscreants, but also to make a public example of them, so that others will be discouraged from behaving in the same way. In this sense, it is rational and utilitarian, and aims to minimize punitive force in the long term.

    What it lacks, of course, is empathy for those who would suffer in the near-term from such a course of action. The psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen has been arguing, for some years now and with evidence from his and other studies, that too little empathy is a sign of too much “maleness,” cognitively speaking:

    The female brain is predominantly hard-wired for empathy. The male brain is predominantly hard-wired for understanding and building systems.

    Baron-Cohen proposes that the autistic or Asperger’s brain is for the most part a hyper-male brain, with too much systematizing ability – though a high amount would be good for many modern high-tech jobs – and too little empathy. Even on ordinary personality tests, answering a utilitarian “yes” to a question such as “if you could save ten people by killing one in cold blood, would you do it?” is nowadays thought to indicate a disturbing lack of empathy. Answering “yes” to too many such questions can lead to a diagnosis of sociopathy, and these sociopathy tests are even used to determine whether or not criminals should be paroled.

    Clearly, though, our views about what constitutes an acceptable level of empathy have changed greatly in recent centuries – even in recent decades. For example, we and other Western countries used to make quite free use of capital punishment, and in public spaces. Now capital punishment occurs only behind prison walls, and is much less common. Our wars too are far less bloody now, and though we care primarily about our own casualties, we also are far more sensitive to the harm caused to non-combatants than we used to be (think of LeMay’s deliberate fire-bombing of Tokyo civilians in 1944-45 — and of course, Hiroshima and Nagasaki).

    Un-PC speech – or speech that would now get that label – used to be common as well. We cringe at some of the things that men said (or did) to women or minorities in old Hollywood movies, or that politicians of even a few generations ago uttered in speeches – and no one minded.

    In a previous post, I referred also to the recent feminization and de-martialization of public grieving.

    It has been clear for a while now that these empathy-related changes in public discourse are due in large part to the recent, unprecedented entry of women into public life in Western countries. Women have not only the right to vote but also a presence in key areas of society – science, law, business, politics – as never before, and it would be hard to believe that their influence has not changed the culture, bending it towards their own cognitive style. People now use the jokey phrase “endangered white male” to refer to guys like Jeremy Clarkson, but what may be truly endangered here is the male cognitive style.

    That may not be a good thing, if the male cognitive style evolved to be optimal for managing societies, while the female cognitive style is tuned for the rearing of children. There is a tendency in our culture now to treat empathy as a trait to be simply maximized. But “understanding and building systems,” as Baron-Cohen puts it, is useful, too – and perhaps most if not all of our culture’s greatest failings now come not from a lack of empathy but from a failure to see how complex systems fit together, and how they may fly apart.

    What also worries me is that too much empathy, or other related aspects of the female cognitive style, may be – we don’t know; probably no scientist would go near this question – less compatible with the reasoned debate and calm analytical thinking that are presumably needed in a healthy democracy, or in any mature society. Several years ago, then-Harvard President Lawrence Summers (who was later a White House adviser) referred rather delicately to the possibility that male/female cognitive differences partly explain the relative lack of female professors in math and science – and he was, in effect, shouted down and forced from his post. A vocal minority on the faculty (representing the female cognitive style one might say) deemed Summers’s suggestion too offensive, the man himself too insensitive. Apparently it did not occur to them that they were helping to illustrate his point. (One female professor earnestly told a reporter: “When he started talking about innate differences in aptitude between men and women, I just couldn’t breathe because this kind of bias makes me physically ill.”)

    An inflexible, authoritarian, shout-them-down tendency is often said to be a feature of PC-think generally. PC-driven marches and protests (on campuses for example ) typically are meant not to broaden a discourse but, rather, to repel or suppress an unwanted speaker — much as a mother, without any pretense of democracy or debate, would try to protect her children from an unwanted influence. (“Because I said so!”)

    Americans on the whole appear to be getting more like this: more extreme and emotion-driven in their politics and public discourse, and less open to opposing views. Could the rising influence of the “fairer,” more nurturing, less violent sex be a major reason?
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    For a question such as "if you could save ten people by killing one in cold blood, would you do it?", we would have to further analyze the quality and inherent value of the eleven people in question. Although this would seem like a good idea to a rational person, the empathetic and effeminate majority would quickly denounce this and immediately conclude that everyone is worthy of life.
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    First of all, I fail to see how mr. Clarkson's on-air (I believe) remarks about executing people in front of their families, was warranted or excusable. Given the fact that there are many nutters out there who may in fact act upon such "instructions", or the simple fact that the remark can be regarded as a threat.

    Second of all, the article seems to suggest that less violence and lower death rates are a bad thing? The article also seems to overlook that as time has passed, humanity has found more and more effective ways of killing each other, and with the era of nuclear weaponry, head-to-head combat as in the olden days seems rather outdated, and not to mention a waste of human resources.

    Third of all, the assumption is that empathy is something "female" rather than something human. While it's probable that women in general show greater empathy that men in general, I haven't seen any conclusive study saying empathy is strictly "female". The problem here lies in the fact that as soon as both genders share a charcteristic (even if it's in unequal levels), it's a human charcteristic rather than a male or female one.

    Fourth of all, if lack of empathy makes us the "ultimate" manly men, then wouldn't psychopaths be the pinnacle of masculine perfection? It seems like the author doesn't like current trends so he wants to swing the pendulum to the opposite extreme, which seems to be just as bad (if not worse) than the current status quo.

    Fifth of all, the author ignores evolutionary mechanisms among human kind. Both men and women need to be able to operate within a scale of various states of mind, like happiness, anger, sadness, frustration, love, compassion etc. because of a) children and b) to remain cohsive within the tribe and not end up ostracised and in a worst case scenario; dead. It's simply a good evolutionary strategy to be able to care about others. A father who doesn't care about his offspring, might end up losing them. A man who doesn't care if any of his fellow hunters might get killed by the prey or a predator, might end up dead himself.

    Being a prick or trying to prove your manhood, has little if any evolutionary advantage. Sitting on radio or television and ranting about executing people in front of their families, is nothing but an exaggeration made to create shock and publicisity. In short, it's a cry for attention, and not some hyper-masculine re-taking of your manhood. It's odd how men who are concerned about so called "feminisation" and masculinity, sit and type about it on a computer in a (I assume) nice and safe airwented office. Why aren't these men out wrestling bears and climbing mountains?
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