Black people mtDNA and Y-DNA from Europeans, Chinese, Indian, Malay, Ameridians ect

[amerinese]

Mtdna D4 is in Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. It may not common but I know Chinese have it, since I have it myself and have discussed it with a Chinese-American woman who had it.

If it is actually present in a Native American population, I'd be interested in seeing a source study that found it. I wasn't aware of it. If it were found in Latin America I would assume it came with post-colonial East Asian immigrants.

[ButlerKing]

Wichi people look interesting.



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Mtdna D4 is in Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. It may not common but I know Chinese have it, since I have it myself and have discussed it with a Chinese-American woman who had it.

If it is actually present in a Native American population, I'd be interested in seeing a source study that found it. I wasn't aware of it. If it were found in Latin America I would assume it came with post-colonial East Asian immigrants.

NOVEL MTDNA AND Y-DNA HAPLOGROUPS AND POLYMORPHISMS IN SOUTH AMERICAN INDIANS

Below are some of the more interesting findings related to New World genetics reported at the recent “DNA in Forensics 2012″ conference held at the University of Innsbruck, Austria (via Dienekes).

http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org/2012/09/novel-mtdna-and-y-dna-haplogroups-and-polymorphisms-in-south-american-indians/


Here is an study from biodmedcentral

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/11/293

Large scale mitochondrial sequencing in Mexican Americans suggests a reappraisal of Native American origins

[amerinese]

Okay I found a study with it:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...e.0000829.t001

They have a specific subclade D4h3 found in Native Americans. Also notice there's an issue with the D phylotree I have noticed somewhere in the past. They have a parent clade D4 over D1, D2, etc. Either way it looks that D4h3 is downstream with real D4 mutations. China, Korea, and Japan all have my clade D4e in some amounts.

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Well both studies cite findings of D4e in Mexican populations, but Mexico has also had East Asian immigration.

D4h3 in SoCal and Peru, could be East Asians in the woodpile again, LMAO, but much more likely to be a solid find.

[ButlerKing]

Well both studies cite findings of D4e in Mexican populations, but Mexico has also had East Asian immigration.

D4h3 in SoCal and Peru, could be East Asians in the woodpile again, LMAO, but much more likely to be a solid find.

D4h3 dated in South America long before any East Asian migration in 18th-20th century. D4h3 is indigenous, almost all East Asian migrants in Mexico and Peru were males while all records showed that female migrant were very small in numbers.

[Iron Hand]

Cool Post!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2850426/
Cape coloured Y-DNA


African Y-DNA paternal 45.18%
European Y-DNA paternal 37.72%
Indian Y-DNA paternal 9.65%
East/Southeast Asian paternal Y-DNA 8.54%


Cape coloured mtDNA




African mtDNA maternal 79.04%
Indian mtDNA maternal 13.85%
European mtDNA maternal 4.26%
East/Southeast Asian mtDNA maternal 1.6%


" There is significant genetic mixture of East/Southeast Asian, Indian, African and European DNA in the modern ethnic group of Cape coloured. The highest genetic contribution to the Cape coloured are from African maternal mtDNA displaying an very high frequencies at 79.04% followed by African Paternal Y-DNA frequencies at 45.18%. European Genetic contribution is the second highest after Africans with a high frequency of 37.72% from European Y-DNA but with low contribution of European mtDNA at 4.26%. The Indian genetics also displayed significant frequencies, the mtDNA contribution stands at 13.85% and Y-DNA at 9.65%, and lastly the East/South East Asian Y-DNA in the Cape coloured also displayed an significant frequency at 8.54% but with an very low contribution of Southeast East Asian mtDNA at only 1.6%, some of the Southeast Asian contribution from the Cape colored gene pool may have partially derived from both Southeast East Asian and Malagasy who both also exhibit haplogroups O1a and O2a and B4a, B5a, F1c. The only acception of the completely East/Southeast Asian lineage in Cape coloured are haplogroup O3-M122 (3.58%) and K-M9 (1.32%) both which are found among Chinese and Southeast Asians but not among the Malagasy."

I'm actually quite shocked about the Cape Coloured's Y-DNA profile. I thought the European Y-Dna would be the largest component not the SSA one. Maybe they need a bigger sample. Nothing at all suprising about their mtDNA sample.

Jamaican Y-DNA

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22576450
" Our results reveal that both studied populations exhibit a predominantly South-Saharan paternal component, with haplogroups A1b-V152, A3-M32, B2-M182, E1a-M33, E1b1a-M2, E2b-M98, and R1b2-V88 comprising 77.2% and 66.7% of the Haitian and Jamaican paternal gene pools, respectively. Yet, European derived chromosomes (i.e., haplogroups G2a*-P15, I-M258, R1b1b-M269, and T-M184) were detected at commensurate levels in Haiti (20.3%) and Jamaica (18.9%), whereas Y-haplogroups indicative of Chinese [O-M175 (3.8%)] and Indian [H-M69 (0.6%) and L-M20 (0.6%)] ancestry were restricted to Jamaica. "

African paternal DNA 66.7%
European paternal DNA 18.9%
Chinese paternal DNA 3.8%
Indian paternal DNA 1.2%


Jamaican mtDNA

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/12/24/
" the non-Sub-Saharan paragroup accounted for 2.5% of the typed Jamaicans"The study found 10 individuals with non-Black mtDNA, of 400 total individuals in the study-population.Amerindian lines [1% of sample mtDNA]A2: 1 personB2: 1 personD4: 2 people'Eurasian' lines [1% of sample mtDNA]H: 1 personJ: 2 peopleU2: "

97.5% African maternal DNA
1% Amerindian maternal DNA
0.75% Indian maternal DNA
0.25% European maternal DNA

The study included one H, or H2a2b1 which is an common European in Italy and Spain. two mtDNA J was found in Jamaican, J are found in both Europeans and South Asian population, but the J found in Jamaican came from Indians. mtDNA U are also found both in Europe and South Asia, but the U in Jamaica came from South Asian U2 . Two individual were also typed to worldwide haplogroup M but have an affinity with South Asian population rather than Chinese. One being typed haplogroup A2, one B2, and another two D4 all these are related with South Ameridians/New world haplogroups that are not connected with Asia population.

The Y-DNA samples don't add up. I think the missing percentage of Y-DNA is most likely SSA. My presumptions were right about the amount of Euro Y-DNA in Jamaicans. I'll explain the reasons:
1. There was never that many white people in Jamaica.
2. Runaway slaves were very common in Jamaica.
3. Maroons at one point controlled about half of Jamaica overall. You're going to need a lot of runaway slaves to control half of an island ran by the one of the most powerful and disciplined armed forces of the time.
4. Jamaica has never really had a lot of mulattoes. In fact most of the mixing occurred after slavery mainly during the late 19th century to the Jamaica's independence. Many of the mulattoes were born to white soldiers, mid to high stationed government officials and men with a lot of money. This is also when the "Mulatto" elite in Jamaica started to rise up. Even today Jamaica's mulatto population is small (about 5-7%!)
5. The countryside area is filled with dark skinned SSA looking individuals. Most of the mixing occurred in the cities like Kingston, Spanish Town, German Town etc. Good luck trying to find non SSA's in the countryside. I can tell you guys personally from my mum that went to Jamaica in June/July 2012! She said, "Some of them dark like Africans dem!"

[pgbk87]

Cape Coloureds, Jamaicans, Cubans are the most genetically diverse Black people

Bullshyt

[Iron Hand]

Bullshyt

Damn straight it's bullshit.