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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Matelli View Post
    Another delusional diversimaniac. What the fuck is this "big diversity" people claim to be seeing? Honestly, looking at these pics, if someone didn't speak English he could rightly assume "diverse" means "homogeneous." Egypt, Iraq, Mexico, Brazil, Cuba, these places are diverse, not fucking Sicily.
    There are minorities of Sicilians who look strongly North European (fair complexion, eyes, hair, facial features) or Middle East/North African (dark coloring and Semitic or Berber features). That's where the diversity comes in.
    The majority of Sicilians look standard Southern European, and the strongest overlap with Greeks and mainland southern Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Matelli View Post
    Another delusional diversimaniac. What the fuck is this "big diversity" people claim to be seeing? Honestly, looking at these pics, if someone didn't speak English he could rightly assume "diverse" means "homogeneous." Egypt, Iraq, Mexico, Brazil, Cuba, these places are diverse, not fucking Sicily.
    i think she meant the difference between for example this 2....

    [IMGlink]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/551732_269527423157287_430290814_n.jpg[/IMGlink]

    [IMGlink]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s720x720/542478_10151026094949753_643049662_n.jpg[/IMGlink]

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    It wouldn't be strange to say an mixture of Europeans and Moorish/North Africans.

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    Palermo




























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    Quote Originally Posted by cmv88 View Post
    i think she meant the difference between for example this 2....
    Yes, and that would be fine if every second or third person was that diverse. But the reality is very far from that. Most people tend to look rather alike -- vastly more alike than people in the other countries I mentioned. "Diverse" is unquestionably the wrong word to use for Sicily. "Diversity" is a word that gets flogged so much these days she may have even thought she was complimenting Sicilians. No thanks, fuck diversity; it may be tolerable, but there is nothing whatsoever advantageous about it.

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    It wouldn't be strange to say an mixture of Europeans and Moorish/North Africans.
    No, it wouldn't be "strange," but if you're going to draw attention to Sicilians' admixture then why not talk about the actual origin of it, which is not moorish/n.african? It's like saying "it wouldn't be strange to say Mexicans are a mixture of Spaniards and Filipinos." It wouldn't be "strange" in the sense that a mix of those two would often produce people who look like (many) Mexicans, but it just wouldn't be accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanillagorilla View Post
    There are minorities of Sicilians who look strongly North European (fair complexion, eyes, hair, facial features) or Middle East/North African (dark coloring and Semitic or Berber features). That's where the diversity comes in.
    The majority of Sicilians look standard Southern European, and the strongest overlap with Greeks and mainland southern Italians.
    Yeah, I get it. But people are saying "big diversity" and "very very diverse." Get real.

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    No, it wouldn't be "strange," but if you're going to draw attention to Sicilians' admixture then why not talk about the actual origin of it, which is not moorish/n.african? It's like saying "it wouldn't be strange to say Mexicans are a mixture of Spaniards and Filipinos." It wouldn't be "strange" in the sense that a mix of those two would often produce people who look like (many) Mexicans, but it just wouldn't be accurate.
    It's far from accurate, South Americans Indians are Proto-Mongoloid while filipino are Paleo-Mongoloid.

    South American Indians


    Now for the Filpino's



    Maybe you think Persians look Mexican aswell.



    Now look at Morrocans and Algerians, some Sicilian look like them and this can be proven by the fact that Sicilian exhibit some good frequencies of Berber marker. There is clearly some Sicilian who exhibit predominate North African phenotype.

    North Africans.



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    This guy is Sicilian but he looks like an mixture of European and North African types caucasoids.
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    Some more people from Palermo.





























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    tauromenion are you triton from TA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joseph capelli View Post
    tauromenion are you triton from TA?
    Of course.

    Btw with reference to the diversity mentioned.. Palermo is the most diverse region I'd say.

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    If you're interested in the actual details of the geneflow betweeen Arabic speaking populations and Sicilians is estimated to be 6% on the paternal side.

    "The presence or absence of genetic heterogeneity in Sicily has long been debated. Through the analysis of the variation of Y-chromosome lineages, using the combination of haplogroups and short tandem repeats from several areas of Sicily, we show that traces of genetic flows occurred in the island, due to ancient Greek colonization and to northern African contributions, are still visible on the basis of the distribution of some lineages. The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%.In particular, the presence of a modal haplotype coming from the southern Balkan Peninsula and of its one-step derivates associated to E3b1a2-V13, supports a common genetic heritage between Sicilians and Greeks. The estimate of Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor is about 2380 years before present, which broadly agrees with the archaeological traces of the Greek classic era. The Eastern and Western part of Sicily appear to be significantly different by the chi(2)-analysis, although the extent of such differentiation is not very high according to an analysis of molecular variance. The presence of a high number of different haplogroups in the island makes its gene diversity to reach about 0.9. The general heterogeneous composition of haplogroups in our Sicilian data is similar to the patterns observed in other major islands of the Mediterranean, reflecting the complex histories of settlements in Sicily.



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