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    Quote Originally Posted by Subzero View Post
    Well those Eurasian E folks sure as hell where not negroid, but since we have paleolithic evidence of caucasoid skulls in euroasia, its not hard to believe that those E people who migrated into africa had caucasoid or proto-caucasoid phenotypes, which became diluted after mixing extensively with the native sub-saharan paleo-africans as well as archaic africans.
    Your logic is flawed since if we are to include the E and it´s subclades as Caucasoid marker then Mongoloids and Australoids are Caucasoid too. Moreover we don't know what kind of look this people had it since we are talking about a mutation 50-55 thousand of years ago.

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    Since former user Dravidian wigged out and got himself QBQ banned, I will post what would probably be similar to his position on this subject:

    http://bgrnathan.blogspot.com/2010/0...ation.html?m=1

    The ancient Egyptians in their writings described that they had come "from the South", and from a land which was reached by crossing the Great Sea, a land which they called "Punt". Some have said "Punt" refers to ancient Somalia but this cannot be for various reasons, among them being the fact that the description of the animals and plants given by the ancient Egyptians as being native to the land of Punt match only with that of the southwestern coast of India (known as Malabar). Also, Somalia doesn't lie across any great sea.

    There is, in fact, considerable archaeological and anthropological evidence that ancient India was the source of ancient Egyptian civilization. The ancient black Indians, known as "Dravidians", (who in ancient times were also known by the Greeks and Egyptians as "Ethiopians") built and laid out ancient Egyptian civilization and, no doubt, in the process also mixed with their black brethren in Africa. The ancient Egyptians, themselves, admitted in their writings that they received their civilization and culture from the Ethiopians, another black "race".

    In ancient times there were known to be two types of Ethiopians, Western Ethiopians, in Africa, (who were black with woolly hair and fine features) and their brethren, the Eastern Ethiopians, of India, who also were black with fine features but possessed straight hair. Both Western and Eastern Ethiopians were descended from the biblical Cush, one of the sons of Ham. An excellent website offering substantial scholarship and historical documentation and evidence that ancient India was the source of Egypt's ancient culture and civilization is "India and Egypt": http://www.hinduwisdom.info/India_and_Egypt.htm.

    In ancient times, India was inhabited by various people, the Aryans, Dravidians, Veddoids (also known as Australoids), and Negritos. Today, the majority of India's population is a mixture of both Aryan and Dravidian with pure Aryans mainly in the extreme North and pure Dravidians mainly in the extreme South. The Veddoids mainly live in the hill regions of India and the Negritos mainly live off coast in the Andaman and Nicobar islands.

    Contrary to decades old popular belief, a plethora of evidence now shows that the Aryans did not invade India from the outside but were all along native to India along with other ethnicities or races. Technically, "Aryan" and "Dravidian" are linguistic groups and not necessarily races. An excellent website providing useful information on this is: http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saran...-invasion.html.

    India contributed tremendously to Western civilization. Many don't realize that Western mathematics originated in India. The so-called "Arabic" numerals and the very concept of using zero as a place value in mathematics were invented by the people of India and borrowed by the Arabs as well as Chinese. Because the Europeans borrowed their mathematics directly from the Arabs they became known as "Arabic" numerals, but they originated in India. Without the decimal system that India created and which was borrowed by the West, via the Arabs, Western science and technology would not have been possible. The ancient Roman numerals would not have sufficed. The Arabs borrowed much of their sciences and mathematics from India and transmitted them to the West. More and more textbooks on mathematics now are mentioning India as the original source of Western mathematics.

    Today Egypt is referred to as an Arab nation, but this is only because the Arabs conquered Egypt centuries ago and imposed upon the original people their Arab language, culture and Moslem religion. Many modern Egyptians of today are really the descendants of Arab, Persian, Greek, and other non-African peoples that entered into Egypt over the many centuries. The ancient or original Egyptians, however, were of African or Black (Negroid) descent, and this is still mostly true of the bulk of Egypt's rural population, especially in the south. Long before the Arabs invaded and conquered Egypt the famous and ancient Greek historian Herodotus (who is known as the Father of History) visited Egypt and wrote concerning the Egyptians: "They have burnt skin, flat noses, thick lips, and woolly hair" (Herodotus, Book II, p. 100, translated by George Rawlinson, New York: Tudor, 1928). Readers may wish to obtain the book "Return To Glory" (http://truthcentric.com/). The book, written by white author and professional speaker Joel F. Freeman, discusses the historical and archaeological evidences for ancient black Egyptian civilization.

    It is often asked how all the varieties of humans could have descended Adam and Eve and, particularly, from Noah's three sons Ham, Shem, and Japheth. Obviously, Noah and his three sons Ham, Shem, and Japheth each carried the genes for producing several races since ultimately all the races of mankind had descended from them. Genetically, it was possible for Noah and his three sons to carry the genes for producing different races just as it is genetically possible today, for example, for a person of European origin to carry genes for producing children with different color hair. The principle is the same. Although you and I today may not possess genes for producing different races of people, Noah and his three sons Ham, Shem, and Japheth did possess such genes.

    Contrary to popular belief by some, black skin is not a curse. Ham (which means "black") was given that name by his father Noah before there was any curse pronounced by Noah. Furthermore, Noah had never cursed Ham himself but, rather, Ham's son Canaan. And even that curse wasn't eternal or perpetual because the Bible tells us that a curse lasts for only a few generations. A more comprehensive treatment of this subject may be found in my article "Negro Slavery and The Myth of Ham's Curse" at www.religionscience.com.

    Black skin protects from the harmful effects of ultraviolet light. In fact, all human skin color is brown. The skin pigment that gives color to all skin is melanin which is brown. Whites have the least amount of melanin in their skin and that's why they appear "white". Only albinos (those born with no melanin because of genetic defect and mutation) are purely white and in most danger from harmful effects of the Sun's rays. Instead of black skin being a "curse" it is a healthful blessing for those living in year round hot climates.

    We are all from the same parents, created equally in God's image, and in Christ equally His children and whatever we possess and whatever good and progress any in the human race have done or accomplished is by the Creator's undeserving free grace, for His rightful glory and for our benefit and the benefit of others.
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    ^ But that is "US" to, in essence there is no difference between dark skin people that left to Africa, those that are in the middle east and those that are in India and the pacific islands. They are all pretty much Black Asians with varying facial and physical features.

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    Yes, although if you look at the uniparental markers of those other groups, other than Y-DNA D there isn't much uniparental South Asian looking Y-DNA in Africa, is there? Although I recall someone posting a while back about Y-DNA F in Nubians, which sounds like a strong candidate for South Asian back migration, but I don't recall the source. Africa and South Asia seem to both have massive genetic diversity within themselves but not similar to each other.

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    ^^ Also, if wooly hair was picked up by straight haired blacks through adaptation and admixture upon re-entering Africa, how the heck did the Onge end up with it.

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    This quite entertaining. I have my popcorn ready...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgbk87 View Post
    This quite entertaining. I have my popcorn ready...
    Yes I agree. I want to see how this can be reconstructed into an Indus Valley / Elam / Egypt theory and show some genetic and cultural continuity. That's what I used to question Dravidian on but he wasn't up on genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    ^ But that is "US" to, in essence there is no difference between dark skin people that left to Africa, those that are in the middle east and those that are in India and the pacific islands. They are all pretty much Black Asians with varying facial and physical features.
    I don't understand, what is it you are trying to say?
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    ^^ A meta-race of black folks stretching from Africa to Polynesia, Australia, and perhaps into the pre-Columbian Americas. Afrocentrist orthodoxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaron View Post
    Your logic is flawed since if we are to include the E and it´s subclades as Caucasoid marker then Mongoloids and Australoids are Caucasoid too. Moreover we don't know what kind of look this people had it since we are talking about a mutation 50-55 thousand of years ago.
    My logic isnt flawed because M168 descended haplogroups are all eurasian, and eurasian includes many types of people but the major ones are caucasoid and mongoloid and veddoid, then we further have australoids in Oceania.

    Haplogroup R1a is almost universally considered a caucasoid marker, but there are mongoloids as far away as Siberia that carry it, likewise Finnish people carry haplogroup N despite it being considered a mongoloid haplogroup. Mongoloids and Caucasoids are relatively genetically close to each other, but caucasoid morphology is considered substantially older than mongoloid morphology.

    Australoid phenotypes of melanesia/Papua and Australia can be explained by extensive mixing with denisovans, its also interesting how Papuans often have some semi-caucasoid features, so maybe they looked more like caucasoids before mixing with denisovans.

    Veddoids or ASI are a mystery because they do not seem to carry any archaic admixture that could explain their drift from other populations, but while they might have had a variety of phenotypes i suspect most of them looked like dark skinned people with a combination of caucasoid and mongoloid features, considering that ASI is genetically equally distant between west eurasian and east eurasian populations. This would also kind of make sense if the macro haplogroup F spread out from South asia which many think it did.

    Small populations like andaman islanders and other negritos can be explained by huge drift, Onge appears as a composite of ASI and southeast asian but their phenotype does not seem ancient and would have been heavily affected by the drift and a founder effect considering their low diversity of uniparental markers. Its also possible they carry some form of archaic ancestry that hasnt been identified yet.

    with all this considered, E carriers in asia being caucasoid before entering Africa makes the most sense. Especially considering they would have entered from Arabia or the levant, both regions with caucasoid populations.
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