What would the world have looked like if the Nazis had won the Second World War?

[Excel]

How the world would have looked like if such a victory had occurred, is a question worth asking.I know that the Nazis believed in German supremacy and the construction of a new Europe. They would have eventually turned Europe into a greater German empire. A sort of twin of the current European Union but with strong core Nazi values.

[EliasAlucard]

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[Sevastopol]

How the world would have looked like if such a victory had occurred, is a question worth asking.I know that the Nazis believed in German supremacy and the construction of a new Europe. They would have eventually turned Europe into a greater German empire. A sort of twin of the current European Union but with strong core Nazi values.

First off, the Nazi's would of never won the War. Even if they managed to secure a victory at Stalingrad and Moscow, They would still have to deal with all the Cities east of Moscow, Not to mention east of the Urals. It just was impossible from the start, I don't know what Hitler was thinking.

If they somehow did manage to win and continue their campaign to conquer the world, I think they would purify the world by eliminating anyone who is non European.

[Cail]

I dont think that it would be possible for the Axis to actually win the war (as in - ultimately defeat all their enemies), the just did not have enough recources. But, i think Hitler had an option of a limited victory, given that he planned his global strategy more carefully. He could have easily expanded Germany alot, like half of Europe, and then sign peace treaties.

His main mistake was, of course, attacking Soviet Union, which eventually defeated him. Some historians argue, that if he had not done that, Soviets would attack first. But i think that not only these are just speculations, but also clever diplomacy and global planning would allow him to evade such an outcome

Had i been Hitler's advisor, i would have done the following -

1)Anschluss Austria
2)Expand east a little, but without gaining direct borders with USSR (meaning - annex Czechia and western Poland, but leaving the rest as a buffer state).
3)Annex Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, create a puppet state in Norway.
4)Attack France, but only regain the lossess of WW-I and further strategical territories in northern France(Rhineland, Alsace-Lorraine).

This could have been (and was) done really fast. All these territories were already occupied by mid-1940 (initial Blitzkrieg), before the actual war began. Now, instead of attacking USSR, the Reich could have just stopped and negotiated peace with Britain and France, which actually had no choice. US haven't joined the war either yet.

[Surena]

I think the fascists would eventually fall, politically.

Had i been Hitler's advisor, i would have done the following -

1)Anschluss Austria
2)Expand east a little, but without gaining direct borders with USSR (meaning - annex Czechia and western Poland, but leaving the rest as a buffer state).
3)Annex Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, create a puppet state in Norway.
4)Attack France, but only regain the lossess of WW-I and further strategical territories in northern France(Rhineland, Alsace-Lorraine).

This could have been (and was) done really fast. All these territories were already occupied by mid-1940 (initial Blitzkrieg), before the actual war began. Now, instead of attacking USSR, the Reich could have just stopped and negotiated peace with Britain and France, which actually had no choice. US haven't joined the war either yet.

Germany could not have won against Britain (and the US). It was an enormous risk attacking Poland, but I think the Germans never thought Britain and France would actually declare war against them.

In any case invading western Poland was a bad idea from a German perspective. Maybe they understood this afterwards - when the Germans attacked the Soviet Union they were hoping the western countries would take their side against the communists. However as we all know they were mistaken.

If I'd been an advisor for the Germans I would have advised them to do whatever they could to avoid a war, but I would also have suggested that Germany should prepare itself for a war against the Soviet Union.

I agree that Germany would have received western support if it was attacked by the Soviets.

And I think a political solution to the problem with the Sudetenland-Germans could have been reached.

If I was an advisor for the British, I would have never suggested that Britain should attack Germany when it attacked Poland. It just wasn't worth another world war. Besides, apparently the Germans and the Soviets would eventually start a war against each-other that would make them both weaker. Neither the national socialists nor the communists would have survived in the long run, especially not after a destructive war.


One thing I haver never understood is why the westerners only declared war against Germany and not the Soviet Union? The Soviets attacked invaded Poland too, didn't they?!

[Wulffie]

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[Cail]

Germany could not have won against Britain (and the US). It was an enormous risk attacking Poland, but I think the Germans never thought Britain and France would actually declare war against them.

Germans actually defeated France easily, and Britain could do nothing against them. US has joined the war only in 1941, and only against Japan initially. Hitler had conquered nearly all Europe by that time, he could have easily signed a peace treaty.

The WWII was won by USSR. More than 88% of Reich's casualties were on the Eastern Front. The most intense combat in the west featured 15-20 divisions from the both sides, while in the east, more than 400 German and Soviet divisions fought. Britain's and, particularly, France's participation in the victory was generally nominal. And US opened the second front in Europe only when everything was already decided, and the scale of fightings is largely incomparable to that of Eastern Front (see above).

One thing I haver never understood is why the westerners only declared war against Germany and not the Soviet Union? The Soviets attacked invaded Poland too, didn't they?!

USSR had a peace treaty with Germany, and no alliance with Poland. Actually, Soviet and German armies invaded Poland at about the same time. While France and Britain had military alliance with Poland, the had to declare war, or loose their face.

[EliasAlucard]

Topic isn't whether Nazi Germany was capable of winning WWII, topic is what the world would have looked like after a Nazi victory, as in what ideology and policy would the Nazis implement in the world.

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[voyager]

I dont think that it would be possible for the Axis to actually win the war (as in - ultimately defeat all their enemies), the just did not have enough recources. But, i think Hitler had an option of a limited victory, given that he planned his global strategy more carefully. He could have easily expanded Germany alot, like half of Europe, and then sign peace treaties.

His main mistake was, of course, attacking Soviet Union, which eventually defeated him. Some historians argue, that if he had not done that, Soviets would attack first. But i think that not only these are just speculations, but also clever diplomacy and global planning would allow him to evade such an outcome

Had i been Hitler's advisor, i would have done the following -

1)Anschluss Austria
2)Expand east a little, but without gaining direct borders with USSR (meaning - annex Czechia and western Poland, but leaving the rest as a buffer state).
3)Annex Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, create a puppet state in Norway.
4)Attack France, but only regain the lossess of WW-I and further strategical territories in northern France(Rhineland, Alsace-Lorraine).

This could have been (and was) done really fast. All these territories were already occupied by mid-1940 (initial Blitzkrieg), before the actual war began. Now, instead of attacking USSR, the Reich could have just stopped and negotiated peace with Britain and France, which actually had no choice. US haven't joined the war either yet.

Sounds very sensible to me.

[voyager]

Topic isn't whether Nazi Germany was capable of winning WWII, topic is what the world would have looked like after a Nazi victory, as in what ideology and policy would the Nazis implement in the world.

//Mod

The world, or at least Europe, would have been very like Excel's post.