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    Default Indo-European Migrations and Aryan Invasions of India (maps and PDF)

    This is a very useful map, gives you a good overview of the daughter languages:





    ^^ Both are from the original PDF:

    http://www.gcisd-k12.org/cms/lib/TX0...in/829/3.1.pdf

    A while ago, Jean Manco made an interesting map:



    Here's also a good map made by "Napalmregn" on Flashback:



    ^^ It is largely but not entirely, based on Mallory's map in ISOTIE (can't remember page number right now).

    And these two are from Wikipedia, showing current distribution:





    Please post more good Indo-European maps in this thread.
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    Steppes/Central Asian people historically covered vast amounts of land. From the early Indo-Europeans to the Mongols.

    Crazy warlike people. Probably the best conquerors the world have produced. They would travel and wage war against the Romans at the same time travel to China, Persia, India and fight them as well.

    Horses, bows, and being land locked won't help them now.
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    If I see the first map, it seems that the first wave came in, and then do another movement within India. Why would they do this. Or does that show assimilation. Did actually so many people actually come in. Anyways, am a noob at all this, so some stuff I found, but you all would have seen it anyways.

    http://indo-european-migrations.scie...igrations.html (It has an embed for Indo-Iranian movement)

    http://indo-european-migrations.scie...igrations.html

    And then there is this:
    http://www.humanjourney.us/indoEurope.html
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    Here is a nice map of Indo-Iranians











    A map of the Indo-Europeans





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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    This is a very useful map, gives you a good overview of the daughter languages:


    Those historical linguists should study some basic geography. For example, the first migration(yellow arrow) towards Europe it's certainly wrong, the Carpathian mountains was almost impassable and the land beyond were covered by thick forests and inhospitable land. The possible routes were the lower Danube-Balkans to the south or Ukraine-Poland to the north. The Thracians lived south of the Danube, not north, that's basic historical knowledge. And Illyrians in Chech-Slovakia? I could do a better map than this.

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    A while ago, Jean Manco made an interesting map:
    I doubt that two thirds of the proto-italo-celtic homeland was in a swamp. That is the territory of Hungary above the Danube before the 18'th-19'th century.


    Especially when the rivers flooded people used to travel with boats rather than on foot. The Danube was pretty much a barrier for people migrating from south.

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    Geography of the Rigveda, with river names



    The Rigveda's core is accepted to date to the late Bronze Age, making it one of the few examples with an unbroken tradition. Its composition is usually dated to roughly between 1700–1100 BC. The Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture (s.v. Indo-Iranian languages, p. 306) gives 1500–1000.[24] Being composed in an early Indo-Aryan language, the hymns must post-date the Indo-Iranian separation, dated to roughly 2000 BC. A reasonable date close to that of the composition of the core of the Rigveda is that of the Indo-Aryan Mitanni documents of c. 1400 BC. Other evidence also points to a composition close to 1400 BC. The Rigveda is far more archaic than any other Indo-Aryan text. For this reason, it was in the center of attention of western scholarship from the times of Max Müller and Rudolf Roth onwards. The Rigveda records an early stage of Vedic religion. There are strong linguistic and cultural similarities with the early Iranian Avesta, deriving from the Proto-Indo-Iranian times, often associated with the early Andronovo culture of ca. 2000 BC.
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    Interesting text, it can be downloaded (pdf format) from this link here:

    http://www.sanskritweb.net/rigveda/griffith.pdf

    One can search the text and find the Dasyu being mentioned f.e. The Rigveda is one of the oldest works written in a Indo European language (estimates of its composition trace it back to 1700–1100 BC).
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    Quote Originally Posted by killdhemall View Post
    Those historical linguists should study some basic geography. For example, the first migration(yellow arrow) towards Europe it's certainly wrong, the Carpathian mountains was almost impassable and the land beyond were covered by thick forests and inhospitable land. The possible routes were the lower Danube-Balkans to the south or Ukraine-Poland to the north. The Thracians lived south of the Danube, not north, that's basic historical knowledge. And Illyrians in Chech-Slovakia? I could do a better map than this.

    I doubt that two thirds of the proto-italo-celtic homeland was in a swamp. That is the territory of Hungary above the Danube before the 18'th-19'th century.
    I'm not saying these maps are totally accurate (among other issues, none of them have included the Tocharian branch). They're interesting in the sense that they give us a rough idea of where the Indo-European daughter languages emerged. If you think you can do a better map, I'd love to see it. Please post it here.
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    ^^ Yeah, I've seen that one before. It's good, although it does lack the short-lived Mitanni in Assyria
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    Interesting. Seems Tocharian existed in East Central Asia before the Tarim. What type fo R1a did they have? And what caused their migration to the Tarim? There shouldnt have been any genetic difference between Tocharians and Indo-Iranians.

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