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    Default How would you breakdown the demographics among Louisiana Creoles?

    By phenotype or skin color? I mean black/griffe/mulatto/triracial/zamboid/pred. euro triracial/brown triracial/native influenced/quadroon/octoroon/off white/white, etc.

    I have only met one creole in my life. I asked if she was mixed with native or something but for any reason I think she got offended. The girl was very exotic looking.

    Let's see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    By phenotype or skin color? I mean black/griffe/mulatto/triracial/zamboid/pred. euro triracial/brown triracial/native influenced/quadroon/octoroon/off white/white, etc.

    I have only met one creole in my life. I asked if she was mixed with native or something but for any reason I think she got offended. The girl was very exotic looking.

    Let's see.
    Some Creoles of Color equate Mulatto and Mixed to mean mutt or like F1 hybrid; they see themselves as a people within a spectrum if that makes any sense.
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    Pure Negre are rare among creoles except in the former outposts that where inaffect giant plantations I would say out of the total Creole of color population <10%

    Sacatra/Griffe are the majority but they are also the ones who have intermixed with Anglo-blacks since American taken over 200 years ago through a mixed Americo/Franco slave setting; but most don't see themselves as creole more so "Part Creole/Part French" 30%

    Marabou/Mulatto 20% For some reason these folks are the Creole poster children, when infact the quadroons where what most folks though of when imagining Creoles of color

    Triracials 20% most are now identifying as Indigenous Nations rather than Creoles of Color (Chitimacha, Tunica-Biloxi, Houma, Attakapa-Ishak, and the various choctaw/mobilian peoples; therefore I put them as Creolelized/Creolephone/Francophone Indigenous people)

    Quadroons/Octoroons 20% Most have passed, mostly older folks or in the most isolated towns
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    So 40% would be griffe/darkskinned/SSA, 20% mulatto, 20% triracial and 20% quadroon/octoroon (?). What about straight European? Do they exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    So 40% would be griffe/darkskinned/SSA, 20% mulatto, 20% triracial and 20% quadroon/octoroon (?). What about straight European? Do they exist?
    If they were straight European then I don't think they could pass for Creole cause they would just be white, no?

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    If they were straight European then I don't think they could pass for Creole cause they would just be white, no?
    If the were straight European then I don't think they could pass for Dominican cause the would just be white; and everyone knows Dominicans can't be white...


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    So 40% would be griffe/darkskinned/SSA, 20% mulatto, 20% triracial and 20% quadroon/octoroon (?). What about straight European? Do they exist?
    Well ofcourse; however most people who say "Creole" mean Creole of Color.

    I will be one to admit that the records show "Creole" the noun of meant someone of wholly or mostly European in ancestry; "Creole" the adjective (Creole Negro, Creole House, Creole Language) was for anything of the colony.

    Creoles percieved and recieved as of color depending on who saw them went from being within the spectrums of "Creole" people proper to merely recipients of Francophone culture and breeding.

    Anyway back to your question; most white Creoles now identify as "Cajun". It was an insult Americans gave to poor Francophone/Criollophone white; it was reappropriated in the 70's and 80's partially to empower these backwater natives and eventually with the help of economically and tourism minded businessmen and politicians created a whole new ethnic identity, completely erasing Lousiana Creolite history, culture, and remaining identity.

    Of the Creoles of Color, Francophone Indigenous peoples, and White Creoles it seems like its 50/10/40 when just looking at folk's ancestry ; for people self-identifying as Creole its mostly 80% Creole of Color and 20% white Creoles (as most white francophone and criollophones opt to the Cajun label.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VarnadoFoshee View Post
    If the were straight European then I don't think they could pass for Dominican cause the would just be white; and everyone knows Dominicans can't be white...
    I don't see the need for the "", cause Dominican is a nationality. I thought Louisiana creoles were a sub-group of Aframs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spins View Post
    I don't see the need for the "", cause Dominican is a nationality. I thought Louisiana creoles were a sub-group of Aframs.
    Did you not read a thing I said? Creole was a geographic name for anyone and thing from the colony of Louisiana; its a psuedo-nationality/socio-linguistic identity.

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    It only recently specifically became a mixed race people label; the correct term for them and us historically is Gen de Colouer or Creole of Color

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarnadoFoshee View Post
    Did you not read a thing I said? Creole was a geographic name for anyone and thing from the colony of Louisiana; its a psuedo-nationality/socio-linguistic identity.
    No I actually didn't lol, I just went straight to my quote. Sorry, geez... but that is interesting. Didn't know about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarnadoFoshee View Post
    It only recently specifically became a mixed race people label; the correct term for them and us historically is Gen de Colouer or Creole of Color
    Ok, I see.
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    Do Louisiana creole folk look like latinos? With our similar ancestral makeup I would think they would. Well maybe more like Caribbean latinos. Do they?

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    From what I've seen in the internet, yes, many do look like Caribbean Latinos. Others look more like African Americans.
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