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    Default R1a1a7-M458; from Poland with love

    They totally overestimated the age of this marker here, but it's nice to see the paper anyway.

    Looks like a Slavic haplogroup. From Poland.



    European Journal of Human Genetics doi:10.1038/ejhg.2009.194

    Separating the post-Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a

    Peter A Underhill et al.

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    Human Y-chromosome haplogroup structure is largely circumscribed by continental boundaries. One notable exception to this general pattern is the young haplogroup R1a that exhibits post-Glacial coalescent times and relates the paternal ancestry of more than 10% of men in a wide geographic area extending from South Asia to Central East Europe and South Siberia. Its origin and dispersal patterns are poorly understood as no marker has yet been described that would distinguish European R1a chromosomes from Asian. Here we present frequency and haplotype diversity estimates for more than 2000 R1a chromosomes assessed for several newly discovered SNP markers that introduce the onset of informative R1a subdivisions by geography. Marker M434 has a low frequency and a late origin in West Asia bearing witness to recent gene flow over the Arabian Sea. Conversely, marker M458 has a significant frequency in Europe, exceeding 30% in its core area in Eastern Europe and comprising up to 70% of all M17 chromosomes present there. The diversity and frequency profiles of M458 suggest its origin during the early Holocene and a subsequent expansion likely related to a number of prehistoric cultural developments in the region. Its primary frequency and diversity distribution correlates well with some of the major Central and East European river basins where settled farming was established before its spread further eastward. Importantly, the virtual absence of M458 chromosomes outside Europe speaks against substantial patrilineal gene flow from East Europe to Asia, including to India, at least since the mid-Holocene.

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    So, Poles are the truest aR1ans then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    So, Poles are the truest aR1ans then?
    No, judging by the frequencies of R1a reported in this article, it seems the haplogroup as a whole comes from West Asia.

    But R1a1a7 is a very recent subclade which probably originated in Poland, most likely with the early Slavs. It's certainly not 10,000 years old like this report claims, because it's almost entirely confined to heavily settled Slavic areas. It's very rare in Western Europe, where obviously older subclades dominate.

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    Very interesting.. To bad 23andMe didn't take me further than R1a1a*. Hoping that FtDNA clear things up for me. If that's even included in that so called FGS-upgrade.

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    23andMe's haplotree only reach out to R1a1a5. Why not all the way to R1a1a7? Too rare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozrage View Post
    Edit;
    23andMe's haplotree only reach out to R1a1a5. Why not all the way to R1a1a7? Too rare?
    I don't think R-M458 has a assigned SNP yet...atleast not according to the study.

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    Polako, it's looks logically.
    For more strength of this(your) theory you must explain another branches R1a in slavic countries to the east. There also many R1a.

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    lol was'nt it that guy Thamizhan who came up with R1a = AR1an?

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    There are tens of subclades within R1a1, what is the fuzz about

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    Quote Originally Posted by drgs View Post
    There are tens of subclades within R1a1, what is the fuzz about
    The problem has been that the other subclades are very rare and basically absent in Europeans. For the first time there is a subclade which will be useful for European R1a1a to test (at the very least eastern Europeans). This is a step in the right direction, but still not enough.

    The nice correlation between M458 and the spread of Slavic culture is an added bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Anarchist View Post
    lol was'nt it that guy Thamizhan who came up with R1a = AR1an?
    Anybody unerstand what he sad?

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