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    Default Italian, Sicilian, and Greek 23andme results!

    I made a thread with a lot of these results until the forum crashed, so I am now posting them over again.

    These are all the people of each group I currently share with, I am doing them in different posts.

    How to interpret this is, that since Sicilians are part of 23andme's "Italian" population, each score you see is how well the individual stacks up to the reference population average. I.e. 20% "MENA" on here means that individual is 20% more MENA than the "Italian" reference population's average.

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    What exactly is "Middle Eastern"? Is that from the Levant area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XMidnightX View Post
    What exactly is "Middle Eastern"? Is that from the Levant area?
    I think it might be Caucasus/Anatolian. But I would assume Levantines will score it too.

    Keep in mind that the "Italian" reference population consists of Sicilian-Americans as well as other Italians, so it skews the results. When I post Greeks you'll see island Greeks score high "Italian" and mainlanders do not.

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    Ok here are the Greeks. Here is how you know if they are mainland vs island vs. Anatolian etc based on what I have observed.

    1) If their Italian score is higher than their Balkan score, they are NOT from the mainland. The reverse can happen with an islander having higher Balkan than Italian, but never the other way around.
    2) If their MENA exceeds 18%, they are at least partially Anatolian Greek.
    3) Ionian islanders are indistinguishable from the mainland.



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    Why is the SSA so low? I recall a few sites claiming that Sicilians averaged 4%. Someone on this forum posted some study that claimed they averaged 10%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XMidnightX View Post
    Why is the SSA so low? I recall a few sites claiming that Sicilians averaged 4%. Someone on this forum posted some study that claimed they averaged 10%.
    Because they do not average anywhere close to that.. they have like 1% if even.

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    Interesting, I am surprised at the pretty consistent low levels of East Asian. What do you make of that? All I can think if is the Slave trade from Eastern Europe must have had people intermixed with central Asian to a good degree or tartars and others themselves. The MENA and SSA are not surprising. I think some is Anatolian from early Neolithic farmers but some is likely Phoenician and/or more recent North African. The SSA could have come from ancient or more recent times through the slave trade or from intermixed North Africans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summersault View Post
    Interesting, I am surprised at the pretty consistent low levels of East Asian. What do you make of that? All I can think if is the Slave trade from Eastern Europe must have had people intermixed with central Asian to a good degree or tartars and others themselves. The MENA and SSA are not surprising. I think some is Anatolian from early Neolithic farmers but some is likely Phoenician and/or more recent North African. The SSA could have come from ancient or more recent times through the slave trade or from intermixed North Africans.
    Low levels of East Asian are also present in Greece, but in their case it might be due to Anatolian Greeks having picked up some Turkic ancestry and then brought it back to Greece. For Sicilians, I suspect it could either be an ancient component that is shared amongst Europeans, or it could be due to the Arab Slave Trade having moved people around from all over the Arab caliphates, and many of them ended up in Sicily. Also, we don't know exactly what the ancient Phoenicians were like genetically but I suspect they contributed a bit to Sicilian genes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tauromenion View Post
    Low levels of East Asian are also present in Greece, but in their case it might be due to Anatolian Greeks having picked up some Turkic ancestry and then brought it back to Greece. For Sicilians, I suspect it could either be an ancient component that is shared amongst Europeans, or it could be due to the Arab Slave Trade having moved people around from all over the Arab caliphates, and many of them ended up in Sicily. Also, we don't know exactly what the ancient Phoenicians were like genetically but I suspect they contributed a bit to Sicilian genes.
    Yes, I saw that in the Greek results as well. I wonder if it varies by region of Greece, if northern areas near Bulgaria, it could be from Cuman or other such influence. Anatolia is a possibility with the exchange of populations, or also Turkic people who in Ottoman times assimilated in mainland Greece. I did notice some Eurasian looking people in your photos from I think Thessaly, not sure if you posted other areas.
    I wondered about the slave trade and people's from Eastern Europe with admixture or tartar ancestry ending up there, but it seems to prevalent in your samples to account for that, I suppose.
    The Phoenicians yes, we do not know what they looked like but I think the assumption is probably like modern Lebanese for the most part... I am wondering if the East Asian is misread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summersault View Post
    Yes, I saw that in the Greek results as well. I wonder if it varies by region of Greece, if northern areas near Bulgaria, it could be from Cuman or other such influence. Anatolia is a possibility with the exchange of populations, or also Turkic people who in Ottoman times assimilated in mainland Greece. I did notice some Eurasian looking people in your photos from I think Thessaly, not sure if you posted other areas.
    I wondered about the slave trade and people's from Eastern Europe with admixture or tartar ancestry ending up there, but it seems to prevalent in your samples to account for that, I suppose.
    The Phoenicians yes, we do not know what they looked like but I think the assumption is probably like modern Lebanese for the most part... I am wondering if the East Asian is misread.

    I have a thread of Sicilian phenotypes and I am curious what kind of looks you saw there. I notice that Greeks tend to look a bit more 'Balkan' and it is possible the Slavic genes in the Balkans brought some sort of East Asian affinity, which spilled over into Greece.

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