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    Default Indian Poses as Black to Get into Medical School

    Vijay Chokal-Ingam, brother of Indian American actress Mindy Kaling is releasing a memoire about his experience with affirmative action. As the story goes, when he was a student he wanted to apply for medical school, but given his mediocre GPA he was told that Indian (Asian) students couldn't get in with those grades, so he decided to see if he could get in with his poor grades if he posed as black. Sure enough, the plan worked and he was accepted into the program.



    “Affirmative-action racism is as ingrained in our society as imperialism was in the time of Gandhi and segregation was in the time of (Martin Luther) King”


    This has re-opened the debate over the mertis of affirmative action, and comes at a time when Asians are increasingly siding against it. Although Asians are probably helped by AA in the workplace, it's no secret that they are harmed by it more than any other group in college admissions. And in fact Harvard is currently being sued over its attempts to suppress the number of Asians who are admitted.

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    It's been a long time since we've had this type of discussion on ABF. How do you feel about this story? Do you see any place for affirmative action in society? How do you feel about the fact that some professionals might have gotten to where they are more based on their race than their merits?
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    The standards are set lower for blacks, it's true.

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    That is crazy, the fact that the only reason he got accepted was simply because he was black. That only shows you that sometimes being black has its benefits haha

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    Did any of you guys read this? He posed as a black person and applied to, by his own account, over 20 Universites and was ONLY accepted into ONE. This actually proves that affirmative action is much more complicated and nuanced than letting someone with a very subpar GPA in because they're black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
    Did any of you guys read this? He posed as a black person and applied to, by his own account, over 20 Universites and was ONLY accepted into ONE. This actually proves that affirmative action is much more complicated and nuanced than letting someone with a very subpar GPA in because they're black.
    The problem is that confirmation bias skews some people's ability to make rational statements. I find it hilarious that the same person who said "The standards are set lower for blacks, it's true" is a white woman. White woman have benefited more from affirmative action than any single population group in the United States.

    It's funny how "hard" people think they have it...

    http://madamenoire.com/282653/studie...e-than-others/
    http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/aff...e-than-anyone/
    http://www.understandingprejudice.or...les/affirm.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
    Did any of you guys read this? He posed as a black person and applied to, by his own account, over 20 Universites and was ONLY accepted into ONE. This actually proves that affirmative action is much more complicated and nuanced than letting someone with a very subpar GPA in because they're black.
    Quote Originally Posted by pgbk87 View Post
    The problem is that confirmation bias skews some people's ability to make rational statements. I find it hilarious that the same person who said "The standards are set lower for blacks, it's true" is a white woman. White woman have benefited more from affirmative action than any single population group in the United States.

    http://madamenoire.com/282653/studie...e-than-others/
    http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/aff...e-than-anyone/
    http://www.understandingprejudice.or...les/affirm.htm
    This is a valid point, although the fact remains that one school was willing to take a lesser qualified student, probably based on race. The bigger problem is with general university admissions. Selective schools require students to have a certain SAT score, but the required scores depend on the student's race. And sure enough, Asians are required to have a much higher SAT than blacks.

    I was recently out with a friend and his wife who are self proclaimed "very liberal." The wife who is an Indian American grad student was railing about how discriminatory it is that universities require Asians to work harder than blacks to achieve the same thing.

    Here's a great presentation about race and college admissions:

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    Quote Originally Posted by XMidnightX View Post
    This is a valid point, although the fact remains that one school was willing to take a lesser qualified student, probably based on race. The bigger problem is with general university admissions. Selective schools require students to have a certain SAT score, but the required scores depend on the student's race. And sure enough, Asians are required to have a much higher SAT than blacks.

    I was recently out with a friend and his wife who are self proclaimed "very liberal." The wife who is an Indian American grad student was railing about how discriminatory it is that universities require Asians to work harder than blacks to achieve the same thing.
    This is all anecdotal information. I don't know how to respond to personal experiences on a data-based topic. This is why people's "blacks are lazy", "I don't like blacks and I am gonna use this to rationalize it" topics pop up. It's all confirmation-bias and prejudice.

    Here's a great presentation about race and college admissions:

    I am not wasting time watching that. That guy was on Bill Maher a couple years back and got owned...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XMidnightX View Post
    This is a valid point, although the fact remains that one school was willing to take a lesser qualified student, probably based on race. The bigger problem is with general university admissions. Selective schools require students to have a certain SAT score, but the required scores depend on the student's race. And sure enough, Asians are required to have a much higher SAT than blacks.

    I was recently out with a friend and his wife who are self proclaimed "very liberal." The wife who is an Indian American grad student was railing about how discriminatory it is that universities require Asians to work harder than blacks to achieve the same thing.

    Here's a great presentation about race and college admissions:

    No, it's not a fact that he was accepted because he pretended to be black. It's actually the opposite of a fact, it's complete conjecture. We are talking about a less than 5% acceptance rate based on his so called "social experiment" (a farce.) He was accepted into a mediocre school (ranked 59) with very mediocre GPA (3.1), a pretty decent MCAT score (31), and a impressive enough extra curricular resume. Anyone of any race or gender with that on paper would have made it in St Louis University Medical School. There's nothing unique about his acceptance to a shit school that screams Affiative Action is out of control.

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    This was such a shit experiment. He actually never applied as himself (Indian) to see if he would get rejected, he just assumed he would. #Fail.

    XMidnight, i have two questions for you:

    1. Why does Affirmative Action exist in the first place?

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    2. Why haven't you post anything regarding the South Carolina shooting (+ countless others since the Eric Gardner case)? Been busy lately...searching for black-negative-news?
    Just reppin' 243...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Dude View Post
    This was such a shit experiment. He actually never applied as himself (Indian) to see if he would get rejected, he just assumed he would. #Fail.
    Yeah, I was mulling over that as well, the guy didn't even have a controlled group for his test.
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