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    So, I don't know if anyone is keeping up with the news, but several countries have recognized the Armenian, Assyrian(also "Aramean"), and Greek Genocides as of late. A few of the countries being Australia, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, and possibly soon, even Israel and the US! This may have come as a result of lobbying efforts by Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontic Greeks in the diaspora or the fact that it is the 100 year anniversary of the genocides? Well, this has caused some tension between Turkey and these other states, as well as animosity in the diaspora.

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    Do you think it's appropriate that the genocides are recognized today? What does this mean for Turkey? The Turkish government used to threaten countries into not recognizing it, such as the case with Sweden in 2010. Does that mean Turkey's political power is fading and alliances are changing?
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    Watched a doc on this recently, shared it with Sheikh Acquisitorz as well:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple-boy, son of Asur-Bani-Apli's line, child of Assur
    Do you think it's appropriate that the genocides are recognized today?
    Long overdue... I did some research on the Armenian genocide in particular-> gut wrenching stuff, man. The Sheikh borderline teared up, no joke. Horrid that this was ever denied, by anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Apple View Post
    France:
    Obvious photoshop.

    Anyway, I don't think it's going to bring a drastic change. Turkey (i.e. Erdogan) will be angry and have some harsh words for those countries that recognize it. But in a few months, the global remembrance of the Genocide will cease, and relations will revert back to what they were. Turkey's still too big of a player.

    Turkey isn't going to recognize it this generation, it would only happen if a progressive leader would become prime minister/president, and does so to break with the chauvinistic past. There's otherwise no merit for them to recognize it.

    On another note, though it didn't happen on nearly the same scale as the Genocide, it is true that lots of innocent muslims died as well, yet not one word is spoken about those. It's a sour point that for many Turks is the proof that the Western world simply values Christian lives much higher than that of muslims and others, and thus, legitimizes their adversity to their cohortations of recognizing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Apple View Post
    Do you think it's appropriate that the genocides are recognized today? What does this mean for Turkey? The Turkish government used to threaten countries into not recognizing it, such as the case with Sweden in 2010. Does that mean Turkey's political power is fading and alliances are changing?
    I think its time for Turkey to recognize this and to move on, like Germany had done both.

    Don't see the US recognizing them though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Apple View Post
    (...) A few of the countries being Australia, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, and possibly soon, even Israel and the US!
    This is just too hilarious to be true. All I can say is, look who’s talking.

    Australia has raped, pillaged and killed the aborigines for about 100 years and still, today, they continue to treat them like garbage.

    Holland conquer and pilage South Africa after which they decide to establish on of the most horrible oppression law in modern history, Apartheid.

    Israel have, ever since the state was found, killed and massacred Palestinian civilians and even bomb Palestinian school kids! Also they together with the US, are the founders of goddamn ISIS and both US and Israel are the world champions of genocide.

    And now these countries demand Turkey to confess? Ooh, please. How ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acquisitorz View Post
    Don't see the US recognizing them though.
    Care to elaborate, akh? Why would the US in particular not acknowledge the genocide(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awale View Post
    Care to elaborate, akh? Why would the US in particular not acknowledge the genocide(s)?
    Because Turkey is a major strategic partner of the US in the region, so recognizing these events would make Ankara very angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamerlane View Post
    This is just too hilarious to be true. All I can say is, look who’s talking.

    Australia has raped, pillaged and killed the aborigines for about 100 years and still, today, they continue to treat them like garbage.

    Holland conquer and pilage South Africa after which they decide to establish on of the most horrible oppression law in modern history, Apartheid.

    Israel have, ever since the state was found, killed and massacred Palestinian civilians and even bomb Palestinian school kids! Also they together with the US, are the founders of goddamn ISIS and both US and Israel are the world champions of genocide.

    And now these countries demand Turkey to confess? Ooh, please. How ironic.
    But how does it change anything, the genocidal activities of Europeans, what Turks/Kurds did? Obviously this EU recognition of Seyfo (and unlike Armenians, I include all Christian ethnic groups that were massacred in this genocide, not just Assyrians but also Pontic Greeks), is about putting pressure on Turkey not only because it's now 100 years ago, but also because Turkey being one of the strongest supporters of ISIS, has to be shamed with its past when reminded of its behavior that how Erdogan today is fully supportive of ISIS, is exactly how Turks back then did against Christians in the name of Islam.

    What colonial Europeans did in the past is one thing; back then, there was no such thing as human rights and all that stuff modern lying sanctimonious politicians talk about today in order to boost their own self-serving feelgood image. Everyone back then whether it was Europeans or Asians, engaged in imperialism, colonialism and various other genocidal activities (Tocharians were pretty much genocided after the Turco-Mongols began their empire, as a case in point).

    Turkey however, pretends that its a modern, civilized country. That there's like 1% or less Christians today in Turkey, is not the result of a natural development or Islam's strong attraction power, but rather the result of hundreds of years of anti-Christian persecution and anti-Christian discrimination within the Ottoman Empire and even in the Turkish Republic.

    Why should Turkey be let off the hook when it's guilty?

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    Care to elaborate, akh? Why would the US in particular not acknowledge the genocide(s)?
    Because the US is not an independent country; its regime is a profit-corrupt puppet whore sell-out to money, as opposed to morality. In this case, being its business relations with Turkey and Turkey's membership in NATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Because the US is not an independent country; its regime is a profit-corrupt puppet whore sell-out to money, as opposed to morality. In this case, being its business relations with Turkey and Turkey's membership in NATO.
    True enough...

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