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    Default Proto-Indo-European Y-DNA and mtDNA lineages based on ancient DNA results

    I was gonna post this in the the old Haak thread, but I figured might as well start a new thread about it for documentation purposes of Indo-European linages. The purpose of this thread is focuse on the haplogroup table, and I will update it from time to time whenever they release new aDNA papers in which they list haplogroups from various Indo-European archaeological sites. If I got any minor details wrong, such as BC date, archaeological culture or mixed up the specimen ID, please correct me where I'm wrong. I will also do a thread like this for Afro-Asiatic ancient DNA later, if they ever start publishing enough aDNA from the prehistoric Middle East.

    Since I'm interested in the complete picture, I won't be including proto-Indo-European female results, and also PIE males whose mtDNA wasn't sequenced will not be added either. Since most PIE remains have been overwhelmingly R1a and R1b, unless it's non-R1 results that can safely be classified to be of Indo-European stock, only the results outside of the Pontic-Caspian steppe that are R1a and R1b will be included here. And I've also included non-R1 results from the Pontic-Caspian steppe who was probably an Indo-European male. The specimen I'm talking about is I0434, whose Y-DNA was Q1a, and although very rare among modern Indo-European speakers, Q1a actually exists today in low frequency in Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Slovakia and Sicily. This indicates that among the proto-Indo-Europeans, the major lineages were R1a and R1b, and only after most of the proto-Indo-European population had migrated to northern Europe, did a rare quasi-PIE lineage like Q1a survive. I0434 was probably a low caste, socially excluded lineage among the earliest proto-Indo-Europeans.

    The purpose of this thread is to give us a good overview of the paternal and maternal Indo-European lineages, which is why female results are excluded, and also why male results who weren't tested for mtDNA, are also excluded. The table is sorted alphabetically after Y-DNA, and if possible with BB code, I will at a later point make it manually sortable after each category. Y-DNA SNPs are based on ISOGG Y-DNA R 2015 and ISOGG Y-DNA Q 2015):


    [TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Specimen
    [/TD]
    [TD]Group
    [/TD]
    [TD]Archeological_cultural_horizon
    [/TD]
    [TD]Village_or_other_location
    [/TD]
    [TD]Country
    [/TD]
    [TD]Y-DNA
    [/TD]
    [TD]Negative_and_positive_Y-SNPs
    [/TD]
    [TD]mtDNA
    [/TD]
    [TD]Dates_in_BC
    [/TD]
    [TD]Paper_or_published_study
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0434[/TD]
    [TD]Eneolithic[/TD]
    [TD]Khvalynsk[/TD]
    [TD]Khvalynsk II, Saratovo[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]Q1a[/TD]
    [TD]M242+ L232+ MEH2+ F1096-[/TD]
    [TD]U4a2[/TD]
    [TD]5200-4000[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I1536[/TD]
    [TD]Central_LNBA[/TD]
    [TD]Corded Ware[/TD]
    [TD]Esperstedt[/TD]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD]R1a[/TD]
    [TD]M420+ L62+[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1g[/TD]
    [TD]2500-2400[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0061[/TD]
    [TD]EHG[/TD]
    [TD]Russian Mesolithic[/TD]
    [TD]Vologda Oblast, Karelia[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M420+ SRY10831.2+ M17-[/TD]
    [TD]C1g[/TD]
    [TD]5500-5000[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0433[/TD]
    [TD]Eneolithic[/TD]
    [TD]Khvalynsk[/TD]
    [TD]Khvalynsk II, Saratovo[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M420+ SRY10831.2+ M17-[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1i[/TD]
    [TD]5200-4000[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0360[/TD]
    [TD]LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Srubnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Spiridonovka IV, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M420+ SRY10831.2+ M17-[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1[/TD]
    [TD]1900-1200[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0361[/TD]
    [TD]LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Srubnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Spiridonovka IV, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a[/TD]
    [TD]SRY10831.2+ M17+ M417-[/TD]
    [TD]H5b[/TD]
    [TD]1900-1200[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE434[/TD]
    [TD]baCw[/TD]
    [TD]Corded Ware[/TD]
    [TD]Tiefbrunn[/TD]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M17+ M417+ Z283- Z282-[/TD]
    [TD]U4[/TD]
    [TD]2880-2630[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE446[/TD]
    [TD]baCw[/TD]
    [TD]Corded Ware[/TD]
    [TD]Bergrheinfeld[/TD]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M17+ M417+ Z283- Z282-[/TD]
    [TD]U5b1c2[/TD]
    [TD]2829-2465[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE61[/TD]
    [TD]baSca[/TD]
    [TD]Nordic Middle Neolithic B[/TD]
    [TD]Kyndelöse[/TD]
    [TD]Denmark[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M17+ M417+ Z283- Z282-[/TD]
    [TD]J1c4[/TD]
    [TD]2650-2300[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0104[/TD]
    [TD]LN[/TD]
    [TD]Corded Ware[/TD]
    [TD]Esperstedt[/TD]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M17+ M417+ Z283- Z282-[/TD]
    [TD]U4b1a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]2473-2348[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE553[/TD]
    [TD]baAfGo[/TD]
    [TD]Late Bronze Age[/TD]
    [TD]Afontova Gora[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]M17+ M417+ Z283- Z282-[/TD]
    [TD]F1b[/TD]
    [TD]926-815[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE94[/TD]
    [TD]baCw[/TD]
    [TD]Battle Axe[/TD]
    [TD]Viby[/TD]
    [TD]Sweden[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b[/TD]
    [TD]M417+ Z645+ Z283- Z93-[/TD]
    [TD]K1a2a[/TD]
    [TD]2621-2472[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0419[/TD]
    [TD]LMBA[/TD]
    [TD]Potapovka[/TD]
    [TD]Utyevka VI, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b[/TD]
    [TD]M417+ Z645+ Z283- Z93-[/TD]
    [TD]U2e1h[/TD]
    [TD]2200-1800[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0099[/TD]
    [TD]LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Late Bronze Age[/TD]
    [TD]Halberstadt-Sonntagsfeld[/TD]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b1a2[/TD]
    [TD]M417+ Z283+ Z282+ Z280+[/TD]
    [TD]H23[/TD]
    [TD]1113-1021[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0423[/TD]
    [TD]LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Srubnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Barinovka I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2[/TD]
    [TD]M417+ Z283- Z93+ Z94-[/TD]
    [TD]J2b1a2a[/TD]
    [TD]1900-1200[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0424[/TD]
    [TD]LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Srubnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Barinovka I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2[/TD]
    [TD]M417+ Z283- Z93+ Z94-[/TD]
    [TD]T2b4[/TD]
    [TD]1900-1200[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0432[/TD]
    [TD]MBA[/TD]
    [TD]Poltavka[/TD]
    [TD]Potapovka I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2a[/TD]
    [TD]M417+ Z283- Z93+ Z94+[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1c[/TD]
    [TD]2925-2536[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE386[/TD]
    [TD]baSin[/TD]
    [TD]Sintashta[/TD]
    [TD]Bulanovo[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2a2[/TD]
    [TD]Z645+ Z94+ L657+ Z2124+[/TD]
    [TD]J1c1b1a[/TD]
    [TD]2298-2045[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE512[/TD]
    [TD]baAndrov[/TD]
    [TD]Andronovo[/TD]
    [TD]Kytmanovo[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2a2[/TD]
    [TD]Z645+ Z94+ L657+ Z2124+[/TD]
    [TD]U2e1[/TD]
    [TD]1446-1298[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE392[/TD]
    [TD]baSin[/TD]
    [TD]Sintashta[/TD]
    [TD]Stepnoe VII[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2a2a[/TD]
    [TD]Z94+ L657- Z2123+ Z2122-[/TD]
    [TD]J2b1a2a[/TD]
    [TD]2126-1896[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0430[/TD]
    [TD]LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Srubnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Spiridonovka II, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2a2a[/TD]
    [TD]Z94+ L657- Z2123+ Z2122-[/TD]
    [TD]H3g[/TD]
    [TD]1850-1600[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE494[/TD]
    [TD]baKarasuk[/TD]
    [TD]Karasuk[/TD]
    [TD]Sabinka 2[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1a1a1b2a2a[/TD]
    [TD]Z94+ L657- Z2123+ Z2122-[/TD]
    [TD]I4a1[/TD]
    [TD]1416-1268[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0410[/TD]
    [TD]EN[/TD]
    [TD]Els Trocs[/TD]
    [TD]Els Trocs[/TD]
    [TD]Spain[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1[/TD]
    [TD]P25+ P297-[/TD]
    [TD]pre-T2c1d2[/TD]
    [TD]5311-5218[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0122[/TD]
    [TD]Eneolithic[/TD]
    [TD]Khvalynsk[/TD]
    [TD]Khvalynsk I & II, Saratovo[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1[/TD]
    [TD]P25+ P297-[/TD]
    [TD]H2a1[/TD]
    [TD]5200-4000[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0124[/TD]
    [TD]EHG[/TD]
    [TD]Russian Neolithic HG[/TD]
    [TD]Sok River, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a[/TD]
    [TD]P25+ P297+ M269- L23-[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1d[/TD]
    [TD]5650-5555[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0439[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Lopatino I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a[/TD]
    [TD]P25+ P297+ M269- L23-[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]3305-2925[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0371[/TD]
    [TD]MBA[/TD]
    [TD]Poltavka[/TD]
    [TD]Grachevka II, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2[/TD]
    [TD]M269+ L23-[/TD]
    [TD]U2d2[/TD]
    [TD]2925-2484[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE547[/TD]
    [TD]baYam[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Temrta IV[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2[/TD]
    [TD]M269+ L23-[/TD]
    [TD]T2a1a[/TD]
    [TD]2887- 2634[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE413[/TD]
    [TD]baArm[/TD]
    [TD]Middle Bronze Age[/TD]
    [TD]Nerquin Getashen[/TD]
    [TD]Armenia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2[/TD]
    [TD]M269+ L23-[/TD]
    [TD]T2c1f[/TD]
    [TD]1906-1698[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0443[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Lopatino II, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a[/TD]
    [TD]M269+ L23+ L51-[/TD]
    [TD]W3a1a[/TD]
    [TD]3300-2700[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0374[/TD]
    [TD]MBA[/TD]
    [TD]Poltavka[/TD]
    [TD]Nikolaevka III, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a[/TD]
    [TD]M269+ L23+ L51-[/TD]
    [TD]H13a1a[/TD]
    [TD]2925-2484[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE276[/TD]
    [TD]baSca[/TD]
    [TD]Nordic LBA[/TD]
    [TD]Trundholm mose II[/TD]
    [TD]Denmark[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a[/TD]
    [TD]M269+ L23+ L51-[/TD]
    [TD]T2b[/TD]
    [TD]794-547[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE550[/TD]
    [TD]baYam[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Peshany V[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1i[/TD]
    [TD]3334-2635[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0231[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Ekaterinovka, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]U4a1[/TD]
    [TD]2910-2875[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0370[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Ishkinovka I, Orenburg[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]H13a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]3300-2700[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0429[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Lopatino I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]T2c1a2[/TD]
    [TD]3339-2917[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0438[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Luzhki I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]U5a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]3021-2635[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0444[/TD]
    [TD]EBA[/TD]
    [TD]Yamnaya[/TD]
    [TD]Kutuluk I, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]H6a1b[/TD]
    [TD]3335-2881[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0126[/TD]
    [TD]MBA[/TD]
    [TD]Poltavka[/TD]
    [TD]Kutuluk III, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]H6a2[/TD]
    [TD]2925-2484[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0440[/TD]
    [TD]MBA[/TD]
    [TD]Poltavka[/TD]
    [TD]Lopatino II, Samara[/TD]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]I3a[/TD]
    [TD]2925-2484[/TD]
    [TD]Mathieson et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE397[/TD]
    [TD]baArm[/TD]
    [TD]Late Bronze Age[/TD]
    [TD]Kapan[/TD]
    [TD]Armenia[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103+ L51- P312-[/TD]
    [TD]T1a2[/TD]
    [TD]1048-855[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]RISE98[/TD]
    [TD]baSca[/TD]
    [TD]Battle Axe / Nordic LN[/TD]
    [TD]Lilla Beddinge 56[/TD]
    [TD]Sweden[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a1a1[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ L51+ L151+ U106+[/TD]
    [TD]K1b1a1[/TD]
    [TD]2275-2032[/TD]
    [TD]Allentoft et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]I0806[/TD]
    [TD]LN[/TD]
    [TD]Bell Beaker[/TD]
    [TD]Quedlinburg VII 2[/TD]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD]R1b1a2a1a2[/TD]
    [TD]L23+ Z2103- L51+ P312+[/TD]
    [TD]H1[/TD]
    [TD]2296-2206[/TD]
    [TD]Haak et al. 2015[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]


    ^^ Currently, the only two papers are from the Haak and Mathieson studies, but I will also be adding results from the Allentoft 2015 paper soon, and other older papers.
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    Are you sure Srubnaya I0430 is L657+?

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    Pretty sure it's way too late to be PIE as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Are you sure Srubnaya I0430 is L657+?
    No, I'm not, I was doing the table last night, or this morning (long Saturday night, lol). He's listed as R1a1a1b2a2a in the Mathieson paper, which according to ISOGG 2015, is Z2123+, and Z2123+ is a subclade to Z2124+, but while close, not a subclade to L657+. I didn't check thoroughly I guess, as I was trying to get it finished quickly. I'll correct it in a moment. Please correct me on any other mistakes like this. The Mathieson paper really sucked on the BC dates (the Haak paper was much better with dating the bone materials), so I probably got some age estimates wrong too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    Pretty sure it's way too late to be PIE as well.
    Yes, but it's descended from PIE, and old enough to justify inclusion in the table. This thread isn't just for PIE, but also for early, post-PIE, Indo-European lineages as well. I will be adding Scythian results too, and the Tarim mummies (who were in all likelihood, proto-Tocharians). Also planning on adding Mal'ta boy, as it's very clear to me now that the proto-Indo-Europeans were basically the result of a cohesive ANE population that migrated west, mixed with Near Eastern farmers and west European hunter-gatherers; this is evidenced by not only early R1a and R1b lineages, but also by the presence of Q1a and P1 Y-DNA, all of which are ultimately descended from Y-DNA P*, which was in all likelihood proto-ANE.
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    Yes, but it's descended from PIE, and old enough to warrant documentation in this thread. This thread isn't just for PIE, but also for early Indo-European lineages as well. I will be adding Scythian results too, and the Tarim mummies (who were in all likelihood, proto-Tocharians). Also planning on adding Mal'ta boy, as it's clear to me now that the proto-Indo-Europeans were basically the result of a cohesive ANE population that migrated west, mixed with Near Eastern farmers and west European hunter-gatherers; this is evidenced by not only early R1a and R1b lineages, but also by the presence of Q1a and P1 Y-DNA, all of which are ultimately descended from Y-DNA P*, which was in all likelihood proto-ANE.
    You should add the Bronze Age Armenians from Allentoft as well then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    You should add the Bronze Age Armenians from Allentoft as well then.
    Yes, but not the Bronze Age E1b Armenians, since that's clearly not of Indo-European stock (although they were probably Indo-European speaking proto-Armenians). Someone please send me the mtDNA results of the Allentoft paper, I have the Y-DNA results, but the mtDNA results (for each specimen) is missing. I don't have any xls reader installed, so please point me to the detailed mtDNA specifics of the Allentoft paper.
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    There are many Mathieson results missing (and others too, such as Corded Ware R1b):

    Full Mathieson results:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubirajara View Post
    There are many Mathieson results missing (and others too, such as Corded Ware R1b):

    Full Mathieson results:

    Where is this from. I've only checked the standard Mathieson PDF, not supplemental materials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Where is this from. I've only checked the standard Mathieson PDF, not supplemental materials.
    It is a compilation of all Mathieson results. In your table many Allentoft results are missing too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubirajara View Post
    It is a compilation of all Mathieson results. In your table many Allentoft results are missing too.
    Yeah, as I was saying, I'm going to add the results from the Allentoft paper soon. The detailed Y-DNA and mtDNA specifics of the Allentoft paper are not available in the standard PDF.
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