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    Let's see what we've got. I've posted my history elsewhere, but to recap - I just don't know alot. I was adopted into an Italian family. There have been rumors and guesses: Russian was among them (that's why I chose my username), and some folks said that I had to be part Jewish.
    I finally took advantage of the technology and submitted to 23andme.

    Here's what I've got:






    According to 23andme, my paternal haplogroup is I2b1 and my paternal haplogroup is K1a1b1a.
    (I read somewhere that 23andme may be using an old designation for I2b1?)



    There's so much info available that I'm a little overwhelmed. Let me know if there's anything else I should post, and I'll add it to this thread.

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    Seems like you are fully Ashkenazi Jewish. Could you post the speculative results?

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    You are about 3/4 Ahskenazi Jewish.

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    Full Ashkenazi, 75% on Conservative means you probably got into the 90s on speculative and have displaced me as apex Jew of the forum

    Congratulations! Welcome to the Chosen.

    K1a1b1a is the commonest MTDNA clade amongst Ashkenazis. Over 20% have it, but it's also found in low numbers amongst other peoples. I bear it despite being maternally non-Ashkenazi. Your YDNA is less common amongst Jews, but 3-4% of Jews do bear I-clades.
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    Here are my speculative results:

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    Wow. Well, it’s definitely good to have an answer. But it also opens up some new questions. As a long-time reader of the New York Times, I’ve seen my share of stories over the years of people who find out that they have Jewish ancestry and then embark on a great journey to discover their family’s lost Judaism. But my own story already has that step: I’ve been a student of religion for a long time – I’ve studied all three of the major monotheism, read their scriptures, and attended worship services of all three (among others). I always felt the most at home within the Catholicism into which I was baptized. I’ve recently left the Church, but still – I won’t be going on any fresh explorations of Judaism (or any other faith, to be honest).

    Of course I know that Jewishness is more than the Jewish faith – but even without the religious component, I definitely wasn’t raised in any Jewish culture, whether Ashkenazic or Sephardic. So what is someone who has Jewish ancestry but not the Jewish faith or one of the Jewish cultures? I feel as though I’ve received an answer which doesn’t really answer my questions.

    I still don't feel that I have an ancestral homeland, national flag, or a people to which I belong.

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    The irony is you were adopted to an Italian family, and Ashkenazim are part Italian, so I guess it falls into place in the end.

    Your results look to be fully Ashkenazi.

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    As I ask more questions, it becomes clear to me that I’m wading into some seriously charged waters here (to mix metaphors a bit) just by wondering about what the results of my test mean.

    I’m guessing that at least some Jewish people get their results with a sense of relief that they’re “fully kosher,” so to speak. My own reaction is more mixed. I feel that I’ve gotten an answer that doesn’t really tell me where I’m from. Of course, the Jewish history is one of wandering and expulsions, but it doesn’t even seem clear to me that my genetic soup points to my being able to say that I am from the Middle East.

    If I’m understanding things correctly, having “Jewish DNA” means having an extremely mixed batch of DNA which happens to match the extremely mixed batch of DNA of people who mostly self-identify as being Jewish. But it seems that Jewish DNA is actually mixed, including a lot of European. Another article states that “at least 80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal lineage came from European women.” Is that why I simultaneously show up as being 99.6%European and 97.1% Jewish? Isn’t this a problem with relying on the self-identification of the members of a group, especially a group so focused on maintaining their group identity and minimizing the possibility of any mixing?

    But I’m also reading something in the New York Times which says that a study based on genetic analysis of Jewish maternal lineages seems to indicate that “the women who founded the Ashkenazi Jewish community of Europe were not from the Near East, as previously supposed.” The theory seems to be that male Jewish merchants heavily intermarried with local European women who became what is known today as the most common Ashkenazi maternal lines.

    Of course, these non-Jewish European women would have converted in order for the men to be able to marry them, and their children would be considered Jewish according to religious law. But it would also point to a non-Jewish European heritage which predates their Jewish identity, at least on the mother’s side.

    It’s clear that it’s entirely accurate for me to say that I have Jewish ancestry. And here’s where I risk offending, so please forgive me if I word things inelegantly: But I don’t feel that it would be accurate to call myself “Jewish.” I don’t have the faith or the cultural components. Or, perhaps I should say that it doesn’t say anything meaningful about who I am to call myself “Jewish.” Does that make sense?

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    Interesting results, Arkady. You don't happen to plot in the European or Near Eastern clusters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Interesting results, Arkady. You don't happen to plot in the European or Near Eastern clusters?
    I'm not sure what you mean if you're not referring to the third image in my original post. It's entirely possible that I'm misunderstanding what you mean...

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