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    Default Man In North America 50,000 Years Ago???

    I don't know much about early North Americans, but I was under the impression that they inhabited the continent only 12,000 years ago, now I find this article....


    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1118104010.htm



    Have I been behind the times or has anyone else seen this?
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    That news is from 2004. It has not been recognized by the scientific community at all, so that means there is doubts about the dating.

    Anyways, if there were human in the Americas 50.000 years ago they probably would be Australoids, because Mongolian peoples hadn't reached East Asia and Beringia at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogers View Post
    I don't know much about early North Americans, but I was under the impression that they inhabited the continent only 12,000 years ago, now I find this article....


    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1118104010.htm



    Have I been behind the times or has anyone else seen this?
    Goodyear's claims have not held water at all.

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    The link actually offers different datings and hypothesis.

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    It seems hard to find conclusive evidence of human precense in the americas older than about 15 000 years. For example the oldest skeletal material falls in the range of age between 11 000 och almost 14 000 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguin View Post
    That news is from 2004. It has not been recognized by the scientific community at all, so that means there is doubts about the dating.

    Anyways, if there were human in the Americas 50.000 years ago they probably would be Australoids, because Mongolian peoples hadn't reached East Asia and Beringia at that time.
    Not only had they not reached the area, they also didn't exist at all at that time. So, if some remains are 50,000 years old, they definitely won't be "Mongoloid".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaM View Post
    Not only had they not reached the area, they also didn't exist at all at that time. So, if some remains are 50,000 years old, they definitely won't be "Mongoloid".
    Whatever. The fact is the following: there is not reliable evidence of humans in the Americans before 15.000 years ago.

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    Are all Amerindians really "Mongoloid"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qart Hadash View Post
    Are all Amerindians really "Mongoloid"?
    No, they are not. Mongoloid was an anthropometric parameter, all Native Americans do not fit within those parameters. Of course many (including scientists) have started to use Mongoloid as a generic simile for Asian. Which complicates a lot of the scientific readings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qart Hadash View Post
    Are all Amerindians really "Mongoloid"?
    Because when I look at natives of South America (not these Mexico , but of Equador) they don't look Mongoloid , a bit similar (eyes) however their facial structure is quite different , same goes for some natives in U.S.A , I've saw many Indian men with hooked noses .
    Amerindian phenotypes vary a lot, but are in between Mongoloids and Caucasoids in general aspect. There are many Amerindians that have quite European features, even from Precolumbian times. Others are more Chinese like. If you add that to the fact most Amerindians of today have some degree of Admixture, then it is not easy to say they look in a way or another.

    Indigenous people recently contacted shows the ancestral phenotypes with more certainty. There is still a few hundred people in the deep jungles of Brazil and South America's heartland in that condition. The health of the peoples in the jungles is quite fragile, as you can see from the pictures.

    http://www.korubo.com/AMAZONDOC/nete...anamari003.jpg

    http://lastdaysoftheincas.com/wordpr...atedfamily.jpg

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