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    Default Indo-Iranian hydronyms or toponyms in Europe

    Do we have some hydro- or toponyms in Europe considered as Indo(?)-Iranian besides Don, Dnieper and Dniester?

    How far to the west it is reasonable to search for such names?

    Any maps or other resources will be highly appreciated.

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    Nothing? So there is little to none influence?

    Maybe Don have a Slavic origin? In Polish "toń" means "depths", "abyss" .

    Spojrzał w toń i wpadł doń means he looked into the depths and he fell into it.

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    And what is the origin of Dunajec?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    And what is the origin of Dunajec?

    Thank you, thank you, thank youuuu! Another PIE hydronym to the collection! That was easy, that was fast. First hit and it's it. And it took me maybe 10 seconds to find this.

    I just need to hit the 30 post limit and I will start posting everything.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunajec



    dhunayati धुनयति Den. P. 1 To sound, roar. -2 To flow.
    धुनयति { धुनय } dhunayati { dhunaya } flow noisily

    Mountain rivers are noisy, indeed!

    dhunayati - *dunajać - Dunajec
    dhunaya - *dunaje - Dunaj - Danube!

    dąć (dialectal duć)
    1. «blow with great force»
    2. «blow something with all your strength»
    3. «blowing in the instrument, produce sound out of it»
    4. «of instruments: produce sound»

    dunć -> donć -> dąć

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    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Danube

    From Latin Dānubius, from Proto-Celtic *Danuvios (compare Welsh river name Donwy), from Pre-Celtic *Dāne/ou̯i̯os, from Proto-Indo-European *dhen- ‎(“run, flow”); akin to Latin fōns ‎(“spring”), Persian دنیدن ‎(danīdan, “to hasten, run”), Ossetian дон ‎(don, “water”), Sanskrit धन्वति ‎(dhanvati, “it flows, runs”).

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dunaj

    No etymology.

    Because it's a Celtic name, you know.

    So... Dunaj/Danube is a river with two names. Both names straight from Sla...err.. Sans... err... reconstructed PIE.

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    Dąb

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/d%C4%85b

    dąb m inan ‎(diminutive dąbek)

    oak

    Etymology

    From Proto-Slavic *dǫbъ, from Proto-Indo-European *dʰanw- !

    dhanvati! dhanv -> donv -> donb -> dąb!

    They created " Proto-Indo-European *dhen- ‎(“run, flow”)" from dhanvati. Why? Answer is above and below.

    "Celtic" rivers across Poland:

    Dąb
    Dąbia
    Dąbie
    Dąbie, Kanał
    Dąbroczna
    Dąbrocznia
    Dąbrowa
    Dąbrowicka, Struga
    Dąbrowiec
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka
    Dąbrówka Polska
    Dąbrzyca
    Dąbska Struga
    Dąbski Nurt
    Debrza
    Debrza
    Debrza
    Debrznik
    Debrzyca
    Debrzynka
    Dęba
    Dęba
    Dębia
    Dębianka
    Dębicki, Kanał
    Dębiesznica
    Dębina
    Dębinka
    Dębniak
    Dębnica
    Dębnica
    Dębnica
    Dębnicki, Kanał
    Dębny
    Dębogóra
    Dębosznica
    Dębowa
    Dębowiec
    Dębowiecka Struga
    Dębownica
    Dębówka
    Dębówka
    Dębrna
    Dębska Struga

    As you can see Celtic Danubes are quite popular in Poland.

    Source: http://ksng.gugik.gov.pl/narodowy_ga...olski_t_01.php

    Now the question is what oak have in common with this word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthalika View Post
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Danube

    No etymology.

    Because it's a Celtic name, you know.
    It is because Celtic or Germanic languages influenced Proto-Indo-European language much more than Slavic.

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...l=1#post586905

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...l=1#post587929

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    धन्वते { धन्व् } dhanvate { dhanv } cause to run or flow

    dhanv = dąb

    रव rava any noise or sound

    dhanv + rava = dąbrowa - "Oak forest" in Polish.

    रव rava thunder

    The thunder tree!

    dąbrowa = cause to run or flow + thunder

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak

    "In Baltic and Slavic mythology, the oak is the sacred tree of Latvian Pērkons, Lithuanian Perkūnas, Prussian Perkūns and Slavic Perun, the god of thunder and one of the most important deities in the Baltic and Slavic pantheons."

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    What puzzles me is that upper Dniepr basin is full of Baltic hydronyms. To some extent Slavic hydronyms. But the major river in upper Dniepr is known as Dniepr which is Iranic hydronym.

    Did Slavs or Balts have their own names for Dniepr river? They ought to have. I cannot imagine nomads in forests of upper Dniepr .

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