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The nationality before race argument is constructed to make racism look less obvious and to make ones country look more united along nationality than it really is. If people of certain skin color and ancestry are are discriminated more against and poverty stricken and socially stigmatized that nationality before race identification crap is fake.
Very well stated, those who project the nationality before race argument and state that racism is less prevalent in their country and or better because its not like in the United states are usually the ones who have never walked in the shoes of an Afrodescendant person in their country and your example of how White Americans deny the existence of institutionalized racism perfectly mirrors what I see in here from non-black Latin American posters in this forum, that's why they are so quick to jump on the nationality before race bandwagon.
It depends what you mean by 'discrimination.' There are mild, harmless forms and there are very severe forms. People can't help but notice race, it's so "right there," in your face, so there is always going to be some sort of reaction to it. Plenty of people react to it only mildly, noticing it, but not minding it. It's from these people you get those "cute" sort of racial comments, that don't mean harm or offense but are just made because going through your entire life pretending not to notice race is ridiculous. People accept it because there's enough shared culture and fondness (not to mention blood relations!) for each other that this stuff seems minor in comparison. That's why they are at ease with putting country over race.
In this, I think it's people like you who are badly mistaken that it's all so horrible and intolerable and a certain sign of racial hatred. If you learned to laugh along with it you'd see the discomfort would vanish. This can't happen overnight though. The reason it exists in latin america is long years of cultural evolution. I wouldn't expect aframs to lower their guard and say yeah, okay, go ahead and drop n-bombs right next to me, I won't care. Whites and blacks in america are nowhere near enjoying the sort of fondness for each other that would make this possible.
On the other hand, when it comes to severe forms of discrimination, like staring daggers at people, or making remarks obviously intended to be insulting, or refusing to speak to people, then I would say it's the discriminators who are in the wrong and people have every right to be upset about it.
As for being socioeconomically on the bottom, I totally disagree that this is the result of discrimination. Racial differences are real and they can very easily account for the disparities we observe. I mean, come on, hate-ridden white racists make things tough for blacks and that's why they're on the bottom, but the same hate-ridden white racists just luuuuurve chinese gooks and that's why chinese gooks are (economically) on top? Please.
To be honest with you tego is the first case i have ever seen in my 30 years of life of a PR being labeled as second citizen because of his race, and I am not lying about it, not trying to cover anything up, I just didn't believe because I wanted to see an article of him stating it by himself and not by rumors, as I am more about proof than rumor, but if he said that, then I believe him, and to be honest I am surprised to see these situations happening.
P.S. Just in case I am neither of the elite and neither I discriminate.
I'll bet there are more who've had these experiences but they may only be discussed among the people it happens to. I'm curious if, in the past, it was more prevalent. Ask a few older (60+) dark-skinned, sub-Saharan African phenotype Puerto Rican to discuss this topic. I'm curious to hear their perspective.
I'll bet there are more who've had these experiences but they may only be discussed among the people it happens to. I'm curious if, in the past, it was more prevalent. Ask a few older (60+) dark-skinned, sub-Saharan African phenotype Puerto Rican to discuss this topic. I'm curious to hear their perspective.
Of course! The older crowd would know better just like my grandparents did.
Paxhumana died a long time ago Anodyne, GET OVER IT!
I'll bet there are more who've had these experiences but they may only be discussed among the people it happens to. I'm curious if, in the past, it was more prevalent. Ask a few older (60+) dark-skinned, sub-Saharan African phenotype Puerto Rican to discuss this topic. I'm curious to hear their perspective.
Yep, racial mixing was not very encouraged at the beginning of the 20th century, so they can tell you a lot of stories.My grandma was on the "mejorar la raza"(bettering the race)thing.
Yep, racial mixing was not very encouraged at the beginning of the 20th century, so they can tell you a lot of stories.My grandma was on the "mejorar la raza"(bettering the race)thing.
Mejorar la raza still exists within the black and Latino communities here in the US.
Brothas know they call out to the girls, "Hey, lightskin." LOL.
Interesting article
"Much has been written about Barack Obama's mother being white, and Michelle Obama as a really black American. What I have not seen discussed are the social implications of the image they present to many in not only the African-American community, but to those of us who may also be from other communities of afro-descendency (Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Jamaica etc), where skin-color gradations have historically had a significant relationship to social class, and where this relationship has applied specifically to women of color."
Originally Posted by Game Theory
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