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    Default Why doesn't the UK have more blonds and blue eyes?

    This is something I've always wondered. The indigenous people of the UK island are the palest of skin in Europe. I think to some extent skin pigmentation is related to hair and eye color. Yet compared to the darker skinned (relatively speaking) Scandinavians and Baltics they have darker eyes and hair. I noticed that in the UK it seems like the most common hair color is mousy brown. With a fair bit of redheads, dark browns and blacks and blondes, but not an enormous amount of them. Go to Scandinavia or the Baltic region and everybody it seems is blue eyes blonde hair, despite having darker skin than the UK people.

    The reason why the UK has the most redheads is because of the lack of sun exposure they get on the island. So why didn't more people develop red hair? Why didn't more develop blonde hair? And light eyes as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinman View Post
    This is something I've always wondered. The indigenous people of the UK island are the palest of skin in Europe. I think to some extent skin pigmentation is related to hair and eye color. Yet compared to the darker skinned (relatively speaking) Scandinavians and Baltics they have darker eyes and hair. I noticed that in the UK it seems like the most common hair color is mousy brown. With a fair bit of redheads, dark browns and blacks and blondes, but not an enormous amount of them. Go to Scandinavia or the Baltic region and everybody it seems is blue eyes blonde hair, despite having darker skin than the UK people.

    The reason why the UK has the most redheads is because of the lack of sun exposure they get on the island. So why didn't more people develop red hair? Why didn't more develop blonde hair? And light eyes as well?
    It doesn't work like that. It's not like the British isles have this magical effect that any random racial group that inhabits it, after a while will develop red hair and lighter skin. If you mutate the required mutations for red hair and similar traits, you will have offspring with red hair. And that's regardless of where it happens on the planet. For some reason redheads became concentrated in the UK (the red hair mutation didn't occur there), more so than other parts of Europe, and that's probably because it's an island basically, it had this concentration effect on red haired individuals. Red hair has been around for many thousands of years, and the Tocharians for example, had red hair probably even before redheads inhabited the British isles.

    As for Scandinavians and Baltics being of darker skin than the British, I don't think that's the case at all. It's true that the British have some very extremely pale individuals, but that's also the case here in Sweden (occasionally you bump into Swedes who are like, vampire white), and which group has more of such extremely pale individuals (statistically speaking I mean), that's up for debate (such pale skin isn't the norm anyhow), but on average in my experience, I'd say Swedes are paler/whiter than Britons. This is not only true for eye and hair color, but also skin color.

    And the majority of Scandinavians aren't blondes btw, it's just more common with blond hair in the Nordic/Baltic countries than elsewhere in Europe, but the most common hair color is something like cendré, which I guess is blond technically, but it's a darker variety than the platinum blonde stereotype. This is what the cendré hair color looks like:



    Brown hair is also fairly common among Swedes. Anyway, when I think of swarthy British phenotypes, someone like Jared Taylor pops up in my head:



    ^^ Swedes who look like him do exist, but his phenotype isn't as common in the Nordic countries as it is in the British isles.
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    Good post, Elias. Also, I have noticed when in Britain that young women often are bleech blonde and fake tanned (google Essex girls), while it's true that men and older people are somewhat darker in hair and lighter in skin than in the Nordic/Baltic region. Women manipulate their look so much.

    Edit: cendre is blonde. Think of Clint Eastwood who are called Blondie in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

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    There are more Atlantids on the British Isles. Atlantids are technically de-pigmentated Mediterranids. However, in case of the British, there was enough time to de-pigment the skin perhaps, but not enough time to de-pigment hair and eyes. Hence the relative abundance of contrast dark hair / eyes - pale skin people on the Isles. Scandinavia, on the other hand, is mostly inhabited by Nordids and Baltids, who are predominantly blonde to begin with. This doesn't mean, however, that all swedes are blonde or all English are pale etc.

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    Brits are racially mixed, some of migrants were pale, some were darker, some had blue eyes, some brown eyes, some had dark hair, some not. It is a bit lottery which genotypes survive, are forvarded and become even dominant and there is no genetic law keeping original traits as pairs. So the answer is, they are mixed Europeans, including a lot of different Celts, Germans, Scandinavians, Latin speakers ...
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    The Irish are the palest-skinned Europeans, paler than Brits or Swedes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinman View Post
    This is something I've always wondered. The indigenous people of the UK island are the palest of skin in Europe. I think to some extent skin pigmentation is related to hair and eye color. Yet compared to the darker skinned (relatively speaking) Scandinavians and Baltics they have darker eyes and hair. I noticed that in the UK it seems like the most common hair color is mousy brown. With a fair bit of redheads, dark browns and blacks and blondes, but not an enormous amount of them. Go to Scandinavia or the Baltic region and everybody it seems is blue eyes blonde hair, despite having darker skin than the UK people.

    The reason why the UK has the most redheads is because of the lack of sun exposure they get on the island. So why didn't more people develop red hair? Why didn't more develop blonde hair? And light eyes as well?
    Blonde hair is Baltic or north German in origin. As far as I know it arrived with the Germanic people at least that's how the story goes. You are right though that people in the UK including Ireland are the palest in Europe. This is because many of the population are carriers of MC1R mutations which are related to red hair (more than anywhere in the world), and this relates to lightening of the skin as well. Even those who don't show red hair, are still carriers of the mutation but will likely show very pale skin nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woden View Post
    Blonde hair is Baltic or north German in origin.
    It's not. High frequency of a trait isn't the same as origin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woden View Post
    As far as I know it arrived with the Germanic people at least that's how the story goes.
    Blond hair existed even before proto-Germanic was spoken. The same is also true of red hair (it's older than proto-Celtic).

    Now, what's true is that Germanic and Celtic speakers did increase blond and red hair respectively throughout Europe, but these traits didn't originate with said speakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinman View Post
    This is something I've always wondered. The indigenous people of the UK island are the palest of skin in Europe. I think to some extent skin pigmentation is related to hair and eye color. Yet compared to the darker skinned (relatively speaking) Scandinavians and Baltics they have darker eyes and hair. I noticed that in the UK it seems like the most common hair color is mousy brown. With a fair bit of redheads, dark browns and blacks and blondes, but not an enormous amount of them. Go to Scandinavia or the Baltic region and everybody it seems is blue eyes blonde hair, despite having darker skin than the UK people.

    The reason why the UK has the most redheads is because of the lack of sun exposure they get on the island. So why didn't more people develop red hair? Why didn't more develop blonde hair? And light eyes as well?
    First of all : Britain is an island and the UK is Britain+ Northern Ireland.

    Second of all : Britain is more West than Scandinavia and to use seemingly archaic nomenclature Britain has less blondes because of two different types of Mediterranean strains and Germany is less blonde thanks to the presence of Alpinids. Also, its easier to superficially nordisize Alpinids but it terms of metric measurements Atlantids are more nordic than German sub-nordics.
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