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    I made a map of distribution of people with my subclade, R1b1a1a2a1a2a2a (DF27>L617):

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L617/



    I've counted several dozen surnames associated with L617. It seems that families who carry L617 originate from Cornwall (seven families, more than in any other region or country), Poland-Lithuania, the Basque Country, Welsh Marches, Cambridgeshire, Northumberland, Aragon, Asturias, Scotland, Brittany, French Flanders, Ile-de-France, Belgium, Hessen (in Germany), Somerset, Oxfordshire, Essex, Kent, London, Yorkshire, Cumbria, Scotland, Durham, Devon, Isle of Man. There are also families of colonial American background (in Virginia and Pennsylvania since the 1600s) who carry L617.

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    Cool, can you make maps like this one for other haplogroups as well, or just R1b?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Cool, can you make maps like this one for other haplogroups as well, or just R1b?
    I can, but I made this one first because it is my own subclade.

    I'm sure many similar maps were already made by others before.
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    Some people think that L617 originated in Iberia and expanded from there to the British Ilses and to Eastern-Central Europe. But I tend to think that it originated in East-Central Europe and later expanded to the British Isles and to Iberia. The fact that older and more basal branches of L617 can be found in the East rather supports my point of view. All Iberians and Brits with L617 belong to younger, more derived branches.

    Distribution of L617 also seems to correlate with Lugus-related Celtic ethnonyms and toponyms:

    Lugidunon / Lugidunum (= Legnica or Głogów, in Poland)
    Luguvalium (= Carlisle in Cumbria, in northern England)
    Lugudunum / Lugdunum (= Lyon, in Rhône-Alpes, France)
    Lugdunum Batavorum (= Leiden, in Zuid-Holland, the Netherlands)
    Lugdunum Convenarum (= Saint-Bertrand-de-Comminges)

    Ethnoses called Lugii (later Lugiorum nomen - the Lugian federation), Lugi, Luggones and Lougei:

    1) Poland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii

    The Lugii (or Legii, Lugi, Lygii, Ligii, Lugiones, Lygians, Ligians, Lugians, or Lougoi) were a large tribal confederation mentioned by Roman authors living in ca. 100 BC–300 AD in Central Europe, north of the Sudetes mountains in the basin of upper Oder and Vistula rivers, covering most of modern south and middle Poland (regions of Silesia, Greater Poland, Mazovia and Little Poland).
    2) Britain:

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...lemy/2/2*.html

    from the Lemannonis bay as far as the Varar estuary are the Caledoni, and above these is the Caledonian forest, from which toward the east are the Decantae, and next to these the Lugi extending to the Cornavi boundary, and above the Lugi are the Smertae; below Caledonia are the Vacomagi, among whom are the following towns
    3) Iberia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astures#Origins

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Ro...ninsula#Celtic

    The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Cabarci, Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici, Brigaentini and Baedunienses; the Cismontani comprised the Amaci, Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital.
    Lugus was a Celtic god of intelligence, art, crafts, truth and light.



    I guess that L617 was an eastern Bell Beaker marker or an eastern La Tène marker (or both):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...enturies_BC.29
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