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    Summary of Argentine Genetic Studies

    I will start with studies with several regions tested

    2008
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17177183
    Samples 94
    Markers 78 AIMs
    Region Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Santa Fe (Representative of 62% of Argentina)
    Results 78% European 19.4% Amerindian 2.5% African








    2008
    http://www.nature.com/gene/journal/v...ne200825a.html
    Samples: Patients 255 Controls 256 Total 511
    Markers 149 AIMs
    Region Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Cordoba, Entre Rios (Representative of 65% of Argentina)
    Cases 25.9% Amerindian
    Controls 19.1% Amerindian









    2009

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00556.x/full
    Samples 246
    Markers 24 Autosomal SNP
    Region Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Chaco, Corrientes, Formosa, Misiones, Rio Negro (Representative of 65% of Argentina)
    Results 78.5% European 17.3% Native American 4.1% African








    2010

    https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitst...pdf;sequence=1
    Samples 482
    Markers 347 AIMs
    Region Several
    Results 74.5% European 24.7% Amerindian 0.8% African






    2011

    http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/articl...194-6/fulltext
    Samples 279
    Markers 46 AIMs
    Regions Tucuman, Buenos Aires, La Pampa,San Luis,Neuquen, Santa Cruz (Representative of 54% of Argentina)
    Results 72.3% European 25.2% Native American 2.5% African






    2012

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0034695
    Samples 441
    Markers 99 AIMs
    Region Buenos Aires, Rio Negro, Chubut, Salta , Misiones, Corrientes, Chaco, Formosa (Representative of 61% of Argentina)
    Results 65% European 31% Native American 4% African








    2015

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.1005602
    Markers 694,834 SNPs
    Samples 175 (97% Public Hospital)
    Region Buenos Aires, Mendoza, Santa Fe, Cordoba (Representative of 67% of Argentina)
    Results 67.3% European 27.7% Native American 3.6% West African 1.4% East Asian







    I will start to post regional results later

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    Population and relevance of each province

    2010 census



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    Buenos Aires
    Population 18.5 Millon (46% of Argentina)



    2006
    http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?...02006000200004
    Samples 218
    Markers
    Result 79.9% European 15.8% Native American 4.3% African

    2007
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17876811
    Samples 119
    Markers 18 AIM
    Result Bahia Blanca 79% European 21% Amerindian



    2007
    http://revistas.unlp.edu.ar/raab/article/view/383
    Samples 183
    Markers
    Result Bahia Blanca 76.90% European 19.50% Amerindian 3.60 African


    2008
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17177183
    Samples 15
    Markers 78 AIMs
    Result 87.8% European 12.2% Amerindian




    2009

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00556.x/full
    Samples 150
    Markers 24 Autosomal SNP
    Results 80.8% European 15.03% Native American 4.18% African

    2011
    http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/articl...194-6/fulltext
    Samples 46
    Markers 46 AIMs
    Results 86.8% European 11.0% Native American 2.2% African


    2012

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0034695
    Samples 276
    Markers 99 AIMs
    Results Buenos Aires Province 76% European
    Results Buenos Aires City 79% European 17% Native American 4% African
    Results 4 Buenos Aires Grandparents 83% European 12% Native American 5% African







    2012
    https://revistas.unc.edu.ar/index.ph...view/9124/9878
    Samples 154
    Markers
    Result


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    Santa Fe
    Population 3.2 Millon (8% of Argentina)




    2008
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17177183
    Samples 33
    Markers 78 AIMs
    Result 84.5% European 15.5% Amerindian




    2009

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00556.x/full
    Samples 3
    Markers 24 Autosomal SNP
    Results 77.47% European 18.87% Native American 3.63% African

    2013

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ia_de_Santa_Fe
    Samples 200
    Markers 11 Molecular Markers
    Results 81.15% European 14.72% Native American 4.13% African

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    Cordoba
    Population 3.3 Millons (8% of Argentina)




    2008
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17177183
    Samples 33
    Markers 78 AIMs
    Result 77.2% European 22.8% Amerindian




    2015
    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scri...72015000300324
    Samples 381
    Markers 10 AIMs
    Result 55.1% European 43.6% Amerindian 1.3% African

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    Tucuman
    Population 1.5 Millons (4% of Argentina)





    2011

    http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/articl...194-6/fulltext
    Samples 44
    Markers 46 AIMs
    Results 58.0% European 38.8% Native American 3.2% African




    2008

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.1000037
    Samples 19
    Markers 678 Autosomal markers
    Results 63.7% European 32.6% Native American 3.9% African




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    Salta
    Population 1.2 Millons (3% of Argentina)




    2008

    http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.1000037
    Samples 19
    Markers 678 Autosomal markers
    Results 21.8% European 76.7% Native American 1.5% African





    2012

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0034695
    Samples 94
    Markers 99 AIMs
    Results 33% European



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    Chubut
    Population 0.5 Millon (1% of Argentina)

    Rio Negro
    Population 0.6 Millon (2% of Argentina)


    2009

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00556.x/full
    Samples 31 Rio Negro 1 Chubut Total 32
    Markers 24 Autosomal SNP
    Results South 68.45% European 27.74% Amerindian 3.82% African


    2009

    http://sedici.unlp.edu.ar/bitstream/...pdf?sequence=1
    Samples 72 Chubut
    Markers
    Results 59% European 37% Native American 4% African



    2010

    http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?...32010000100001
    Samples 59
    Markers
    Results Chubut 51.2% European 46.9% Amerindian 1.9% African





    2012

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0034695
    Samples 117
    Markers 99 AIMs
    Results Chubut 54% European






    2013

    http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?...12013000100006
    Samples 82
    Markers
    Results Chubut 67.2% European 29.4% Amerindian 3.4% African

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    San Luis
    Population 0.4 Millons (1% of Argentina)



    2011
    http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/articl...194-6/fulltext
    Samples 47
    Markers 46 AIMs
    Results 76.1% European 21.1% Native American 2.8% African


    2015
    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scri...72015000300324
    Samples 140
    Markers 10 AIMs
    Result 58.2% European 40.3% Amerindian 1.5% African

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    Beacuse there arent many study for northeastern provinces, i will put them all in one single post

    Misiones
    Population 1.1 Millons (3% of Argentina)

    Chaco
    Population 1 Millons (3% of Argentina)

    Corrientes
    Population 0.9 Millons (2% of Argentina)

    Formosa
    Population 0.5 Millons (1% of Argentina)




    2009

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00556.x/full
    Samples 1 Chaco 21 Corrientes 11 Formosa 28 Misiones Total 61
    Markers 24 Autosomal SNP
    Results Northeast 78.48% European 17.25% Native American 4.28% African






    2012

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0034695
    Samples 71 from Northeast
    Markers 99 AIMs
    Results Northeast 54% European



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    2010

    Below the summary of some studies done in different regions of Argentina

    http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?...32010000100001

    AMBA is Metropolitan Area of Buenos Aires
    BB is Bahia Blanca in Buenos Aires
    CR is Comodoro Rivadavia in Chubut
    EQ is Esquel in Chubut
    NOA is Northwest
    NEA is Northeast
    Cuyo is Center West




    This are all separate studies with relatively big samples done by Avena and Parolin. The last one includes Puerto Madryn in Chubut .

    2013

    http://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?...32010000100001



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    2015

    Argentine Menonnites

    http://www.nature.com/articles/srep36392

    27 Samples
    Result 99.7% European



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    Provincial Results of 2 different Studies


    2009

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00556.x/full
    Markers 24 Autosomal SNP




    2011

    http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/articl...194-6/fulltext
    Markers 46 AIMs



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    Basing myself in all this genetic studies, and taking into accounnt the population of each provice, the euro component in the Argentine population should be as follows


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    I wonder how much euro would be Argentina with my numbers. I had no patience to finish.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Montanini View Post
    I wonder how much euro would be Argentina with my numbers. I had no patience to finish.

    This would be the result of your estimation bro. Similar to mine


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    I do not really understand much about the demography of Argentina, especially the Cuyo Region, South and Northwest (I basically copied your values).

    The Northeast/Litoral/Mesopotomia, in my ignorance, I believe that it can be a turbinated version of Paraguay with a good percentage of Whites (90%+), and I'm basing myself that Paraguay is one mestizo 50/55% European country, but I have a feeling that they may be more European than that, of course most Brazilians think that all Paraguayans are plain mestizos, but when I was looking some "random" crowds they almost always look whiter than Chileans (55% Euro) for me. It would be interesting see one good genetic testing for that country.

    The rest would depend how much European is actually Buenos Aires and the other regions of the Pampa like Santa Fe and Cordoba. Buenos Aires must still be more European than the average for Argentina, do you agree? But I would not rule out the suposition that La Pampa and especially Santa Fe could be even little more European than Buenos Aires. At least here, the tendency is that all kind of poor people go to larger cities to find one job and other services.

    However, 72% seems like a good number too, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montanini View Post
    I do not really understand much about the demography of Argentina, especially the Cuyo Region, South and Northwest (I basically copied your values).

    The Northeast/Litoral/Mesopotomia, in my ignorance, I believe that it can be a turbinated version of Paraguay with a good percentage of Whites (90%+), and I'm basing myself that Paraguay is one mestizo 50/55% European country, but I have a feeling that they may be more European than that, of course most Brazilians think that all Paraguayans are plain mestizos, but when I was looking some "random" crowds they almost always look whiter than Chileans (55% Euro) for me. It would be interesting see one good genetic testing for that country.

    The rest would depend how much European is actually Buenos Aires and the other regions of the Pampa like Santa Fe and Cordoba. Buenos Aires must still be more European than the average for Argentina, do you agree? But I would not rule out the suposition that La Pampa and especially Santa Fe could be even little more European than Buenos Aires. At least here, the tendency is that all kind of poor people go to larger cities to find one job and other services.

    However, 72% seems like a good number too, no?
    I agree with everything

    Paraguayans IMO seem more euro than Chileans. Where i live (conurbano Bonaerense) we recieved a lot of poor Paraguayans (mostly constrution workers) and they always seem to be harnizos or something around that.

    Buenos Aires recieved a lot of "negros" but also a lot of Europeans. There were 1.2 millon europeans in Buenos Aires in 1960. But yes Santa Fe and La Pampa could be more euro as they never recieved that many limitrofe immigrants and they recieved a lot of europeans (Santa Fe was 40% european born in 1895). Anyways Genetic studies show that Bs As, Santa Fe and La Pampa are all in the 75-85% euro range.

    72% Euro is a good number yes. Seems reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montanini View Post
    I do not really understand much about the demography of Argentina, especially the Cuyo Region, South and Northwest (I basically copied your values).

    The Northeast/Litoral/Mesopotomia, in my ignorance, I believe that it can be a turbinated version of Paraguay with a good percentage of Whites (90%+), and I'm basing myself that Paraguay is one mestizo 50/55% European country, but I have a feeling that they may be more European than that, of course most Brazilians think that all Paraguayans are plain mestizos, but when I was looking some "random" crowds they almost always look whiter than Chileans (55% Euro) for me. It would be interesting see one good genetic testing for that country.

    The rest would depend how much European is actually Buenos Aires and the other regions of the Pampa like Santa Fe and Cordoba. Buenos Aires must still be more European than the average for Argentina, do you agree? But I would not rule out the suposition that La Pampa and especially Santa Fe could be even little more European than Buenos Aires. At least here, the tendency is that all kind of poor people go to larger cities to find one job and other services.

    However, 72% seems like a good number too, no?
    Buenos Aires province or city? The city of Buenos Aires and its metropolitan area has been always more European than the rest of the country, but it received immigration from the northern regions of the country, Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru so currently it's less European than it used to be.

    I think we shouldn't just take provinces but split the country into regions. The Pampean region (eastern and southern Cordoba, Santa Fe, Entre Rios, La Pampa and Buenos Aires Province, except BA metropolitan area) is the most European in the country.
    In the city where I was raised in the Pampa region, I would say it's 90% European and 10% mestizo, excluiding recent immigrants from Bolivia.

    I've been visiting some towns in Santa Fe and Cordoba recently, and my perception was 95% European. Also, I noticed new immigrants coming from the north and Bolivia or Peru settling in these typical Italian towns. They use these towns to commute to nearby cities.

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    Mendoza should be Central


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    Benzgolv claims Buenos Aires is the most diverse city in Hispanic America, do you agree with him? He says there lots of blacks, Asians, Arabs, and that Buenos Aires is as diverse as New York City

    I told him that Buenos Aires is majority castizo and that it even has a large white population, I even posted the studies, he still claimed blacks were so common in Buenos Aires, tons of Senegal immigrants, and tons of Asians

    I asked my sister's ex boyfriend who is Argentine and from Buenos Aires, he said Benzgolv was crazy, that blacks out there are not common

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celph Titled View Post
    Benzgolv claims Buenos Aires is the most diverse city in Hispanic America, do you agree with him? He says there lots of blacks, Asians, Arabs, and that Buenos Aires is as diverse as New York City

    I told him that Buenos Aires is majority castizo and that it even has a large white population, I even posted the studies, he still claimed blacks were so common in Buenos Aires, tons of Senegal immigrants, and tons of Asians

    I asked my sister's ex boyfriend who is Argentine and from Buenos Aires, he said Benzgolv was crazy, that blacks out there are not common
    Buenos Aires City is full of Bolivians which would make us diverse (Bolivian is 100% amerindian) but blacks (Senegalese or Dominicans) are an extreme minority. He may be "shocked" because in the past it was impossible to see blacks here in Buenos Aires or Argentina but they are not many at all.


    In the 2010 census there were like 1.000 Africans in a country of 41.000.000 LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benzgolv View Post
    Buenos Aires province or city? The city of Buenos Aires and its metropolitan area has been always more European than the rest of the country, but it received immigration from the northern regions of the country, Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru so currently it's less European than it used to be.

    I think we shouldn't just take provinces but split the country into regions. The Pampean region (eastern and southern Cordoba, Santa Fe, Entre Rios, La Pampa and Buenos Aires Province, except BA metropolitan area) is the most European in the country.
    In the city where I was raised in the Pampa region, I would say it's 90% European and 10% mestizo, excluiding recent immigrants from Bolivia.

    I've been visiting some towns in Santa Fe and Cordoba recently, and my perception was 95% European. Also, I noticed new immigrants coming from the north and Bolivia or Peru settling in these typical Italian towns. They use these towns to commute to nearby cities.
    Buenos Aires Province is very euro because

    1)Buenos Aires City people migrate to Buenos Aires Province. In the 2010 census MAJORITY OF people born in Buenos Aires City lived in Buenos Aires Province. MORE THAN HALF.

    2)Buenos Aires Province always had a high european born %. Around 35% in 1914

    3)The last european wave 1950-1960 went all to Buenos Aires Conurbano. Most of my family for example settled in Conurbano Bonaerense (San Martin, Moron)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmv88 View Post
    Buenos Aires City is full of Bolivians which would make us diverse (Bolivian is 100% amerindian) but blacks (Senegalese or Dominicans) are an extreme minority. He may be "shocked" because in the past it was impossible to see blacks here in Buenos Aires or Argentina but they are not many at all.


    In the 2010 census there were like 1.000 Africans in a country of 41.000.000 LOL

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    Buenos Aires Province is very euro because

    1)Buenos Aires City people migrate to Buenos Aires Province. In the 2010 census MAJORITY OF people born in Buenos Aires City lived in Buenos Aires Province. MORE THAN HALF.

    2)Buenos Aires Province always had a high european born %. Around 35% in 1914

    3)The last european wave 1950-1960 went all to Buenos Aires Conurbano. Most of my family for example settled in Conurbano Bonaerense (San Martin, Moron)
    Exactly. Original Porteños started migratin to BA conurbano like 20 years ago, especially to the northern and western Conubarno, where loads of country clubs established.
    There was a late wave of immigrants in the 50s, which we didn't receive here in the interior of the Pampa region. After the great wave of immigration (until the 20s) new immigrants were very uncommon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celph Titled View Post
    Benzgolv claims Buenos Aires is the most diverse city in Hispanic America, do you agree with him? He says there lots of blacks, Asians, Arabs, and that Buenos Aires is as diverse as New York City

    I told him that Buenos Aires is majority castizo and that it even has a large white population, I even posted the studies, he still claimed blacks were so common in Buenos Aires, tons of Senegal immigrants, and tons of Asians

    I asked my sister's ex boyfriend who is Argentine and from Buenos Aires, he said Benzgolv was crazy, that blacks out there are not common
    I did not ever say it's more diverse than New York City. What I did say is that it's more diverse than Mexico City. Please read again.

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