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    So I finally took the test after having it on my mind for a good while:





    Father's line: 12a - "this haplogroup is concentrated in eastern Europe and western Russia, reaching levels of 40% in Bosnia and 30% in Croatia. It arose about 11,000 years ago in the Balkans, prior to the arrival of agriculture. Soon after I2a arose, farmers from the Near East and Anatolia brought their techniques to the Balkans, where the local men - who often bore haplogroup I2a - took up the practice."

    Mother's line: Haplogroup H. It says it is the most prevalent haplogroup in Europe today, present in about half of the Scandinavian population and also common along the continent's Atlantic coast.

    Neanderthal: 2.6 %

    So yeah, I guess this is briefly pretty much what I expected. My father is from Izmir (western Turkey) and my mother is from Tampere (southern Finland).

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    What part of İzmir? Aegean coasts are full of Cretan muslims(Türks) who came after ww1. I just spotted you have Cretan flag on profile. Is your dad's parents originally from Izmir or Crete?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    What part of İzmir? Aegean coasts are full of Cretan muslims(Türks) who came after ww1. I just spotted you have Cretan flag on profile. Is your dad's parents originally from Izmir or Crete?
    He was born not far away in Aydin, and grew up in Izmir (the basmane district). His father was originally from Crete, yes, and I suspect he came to Turkey through the population exchange with the Greeks. I think my paternal grandmother had some Balkan roots as well.

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    Good. Now try some GEDmatch calculators.

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    If the second picture is what 23andMe says "speculative", then The Finnish proportion is ok, but I would have expected more Middle East. Sounds like 23andme misses it and it likely happens because many testers, 23andMe among them, want to see also recent Middle-Eastern influence in Europe as European.
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    Firstly, about your haplogroup:
    Your grandfather is from Crete and have a typical balkan hg southern slavs typically have. That gives me ideas I want to share with you.
    Maybe you dont know as you live outside of Türkey, Cretan Türks are not ethnic Türkmens. Cypriot Türks are mainly Türkmen origin, but Crete is not. Ottoman didnt move population to there. Cyprus had much türkmen villages from Adana/Mersin/Antalya areas to populate the island in the past,so their cultures(clothes/foods/songs etc) are different than Cretan Türks. Cretan Türks are mainly converted Greeks. But your hg is not typical Cretan too. There were also some Ottoman officers sent to there. You know Ottoman has devshirme system. The state system works with the kids taken from christian families and raised for state possitions and army. So, Your ancestor might be someone taken from balkans and raised to serve the country, and sent to Crete. So, maybe he was already muslim when he went to crete, maybe not originally from there. That, you can not easily learn. But the majority of the kids taken from balkans for hundreds of years.

    Your audna:
    23andme generally defines people from balkans and greece 'european' while Anatolian as 'middle eastern'. their referance of middle eastern is anatolian and iranian genes, its the reason. Anatolian Greeks generally result very middle eastern while greek from greece results european. Im not surprised to learn your grandmom also from balkans. Balkan Türks also have high european in the site. There is nothing weird in there, you dont have much ancestry from Anatolia, so u dont get much 'middle eastern' results.
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    Congratulations. Is that you in your avatar? You look Pakistani on it. Would have never expected such results. Close to 95% Euro for a Half Turkish person.

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    So, now that my brother has taken this thing, is there really any need for me to do so? How much can siblings differ anyways?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamerlane View Post
    So, now that my brother has taken this thing, is there really any need for me to do so? How much can siblings differ anyways?
    My 23andme account actually my brothers test
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    I think you mean Y-DNA haplogroup "I2a", not "12a".
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