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    From Doug McDonald:

    Most likely fit is 62.0% (+- 2.1%) Europe (various subcontinents) and 38.0% (+- 2.1%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top

    Finland= 0.625 Armenian= 0.375 or
    Russian= 0.592 Jewish= 0.408 or
    Irish= 0.642 Turkish= 0.358

    which is getting Finnish and Turkish, but not paired.

    A custom fit gives Finland 0.5993 Cypriot 0.4007 as a good but not perfect fit.

    Finland 0.5437 Turkish 0.4563 is a passable but less accurate fit.

    constraining Finnish to 50% gives:

    Finland 0.5001 Russian 0.1167 Cypriot 0.3832 or
    Finland 0.5000 Tuscan 0.2306 Turkish 0.2694 or
    Finland 0.5000 Romania 0.2492 Armenian 0.2508 or
    Finland 0.5001 Poland 0.1231 Cypriot 0.3768 or
    Finland 0.5000 Italian 0.1850 Turkish 0.3150 or
    Finland 0.5001 Lithuania 0.1076 Cypriot 0.3923

    constraining Turkish to be 50% gives

    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.3959 Lithuania 0.1041 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.4030 Poland 0.0970 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.4150 Belorus 0.0850 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.4096 Germany 0.0904 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.3925 Irish 0.1075 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.4267 English 0.0733 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.4525 French 0.0475 or
    Turkish 0.5000 Finland 0.4470 Hungary 0.0530

    with MUCH poorer fits.

    This means you are likely more or less typical Finnish plus unusually Mediterranean (i.e. shore from Istanbul to Rome or the usual islands) admixed Turkish.

    This fits with your father being Y chromosome halplgroup I, which is unusual in the mediterreanean area and rare in Turkey. The best two population fit was CLEARLY Finland-Cyprus ... which is doing very very well.

    I send two maps, representing the two last lists above, and both maps are similar.









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    amk, 90% avrupali Hallo Günther, wie geht es Ihnen denn heute so?
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    @Semitic Duwa

    MDLP K23b Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.05
    2 Caucasian 27.84
    3 European_Early_Farmers 10.41
    4 South_Central_Asian 7.59
    5 Near_East 6.6
    6 North_African 3.46
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.39
    8 South_East_Asian 2.05
    9 East_Siberian 1.4
    10 Amerindian 0.82
    11 Paleo_Siberian 0.48
    12 Austronesian 0.43
    13 Australoid 0.18
    14 Archaic_African 0.13
    15 East_African 0.1
    16 Melano_Polynesian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Ukrainian_West ( ) 7.59
    2 Slovak ( ) 7.88
    3 Sorb ( ) 8.07
    4 Kashub ( ) 8.38
    5 Russian_South ( ) 8.41
    6 Russian_North ( ) 8.5
    7 Belarusian-East ( ) 8.51
    8 Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) 8.54
    9 Belarusian_West ( ) 8.6
    10 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 8.69
    11 Russian-West ( ) 8.75
    12 Ukrainian_East ( ) 8.87
    13 Czech ( ) 8.89
    14 Moksha ( ) 9.06
    15 Ukrainian ( ) 9.14
    16 Russian-North-West ( ) 9.14
    17 Don_cossack ( ) 9.34
    18 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 9.65
    19 Belarusian_South ( ) 10.33
    20 Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) 10.34

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67.5% Finn_West ( ) + 32.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 2.7
    2 66.6% Finn_West ( ) + 33.4% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 2.81
    3 65% Finn_West ( ) + 35% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) @ 2.97
    4 65.8% Finn_West ( ) + 34.2% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 3.22
    5 66.3% Finn_West ( ) + 33.7% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 3.3
    6 68.5% Finn_West ( ) + 31.5% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 3.33
    7 66.9% Erzya ( ) + 33.1% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 3.36
    8 69.9% Finn_West ( ) + 30.1% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 3.41
    9 64.6% Finn_West ( ) + 35.4% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 3.44
    10 64.4% German ( ) + 35.6% Iraki ( ) @ 3.62
    11 59.9% Finn_West ( ) + 40.1% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 3.73
    12 73.2% Finn_West ( ) + 26.8% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) @ 3.83
    13 66.5% Finn_West ( ) + 33.5% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 3.84
    14 57.9% Finnish_FIN ( ) + 42.1% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 3.86
    15 55.5% Finn ( ) + 44.5% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 3.86
    16 63.5% Finn_West ( ) + 36.5% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 3.87
    17 71.4% Kashub ( ) + 28.6% Iraki ( ) @ 3.89
    18 62.7% Finnish_FIN ( ) + 37.3% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 3.89
    19 64.6% Finnish_FIN ( ) + 35.4% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 3.9
    20 61.9% Finn_West ( ) + 38.1% Lebanese ( ) @ 3.91

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Hungarian_Budapest @ 11.805638
    2 Bosnian @ 11.952600
    3 Serb_BH @ 12.157396
    4 Croat @ 12.476200
    5 Montenegrian @ 12.522361
    6 Serb_Serbia @ 12.571395
    7 Tatar-Mishar @ 12.621083
    8 Tatar-Kazan @ 12.833320
    9 Croat_BH @ 12.991302
    10 Czech @ 13.059961
    11 Hungarian @ 13.322667
    12 Tatar-Lithuanian @ 13.425833
    13 Macedonian @ 13.459830
    14 German_East @ 13.570437
    15 Moksha @ 13.610842
    16 Austrian @ 13.648577
    17 Slovenian @ 13.743463
    18 Bulgarian @ 13.851107
    19 Slovak @ 14.746305
    20 Swede_Saami @ 15.340666

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cretan +50% Karelian @ 4.754272

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German +25% Iraqi_Mandean +25% Tatar_Mishar @ 2.894221
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    ^^These fits are pretty accurate:

    14 57.9% Finnish_FIN ( ) + 42.1% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 3.86
    15 55.5% Finn ( ) + 44.5% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 3.86
    [...]
    1 50% Cretan +50% Karelian @ 4.754272

    Unsurprisingly, you're pretty damn similar to me, here are my K23b results for instance:

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 29.36
    2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 26.62
    3 European_Early_Farmers 23.05
    4 South_Central_Asian 6.68
    5 Near_East 5.89
    6 North_African 3.92
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.9
    8 Austronesian 0.5
    9 Australoid 0.34
    10 South_Indian 0.29
    11 Archaic_Human 0.28
    12 Archaic_African 0.14
    13 Arctic 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_North ( ) 5.86
    2 Austrian ( ) 7.5
    3 Slovenian ( ) 8.22
    4 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.3
    5 Hungarian ( ) 8.32
    6 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 8.61
    7 German-Volga ( ) 9.28
    8 Montenegrian ( ) 10.07
    9 Sicilian_West ( ) 10.31
    10 Czech ( ) 10.54
    11 South_German ( ) 10.69
    12 Serb_BH ( ) 10.94
    13 Croat ( ) 11.04
    14 Bosnian ( ) 11.51
    15 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 11.68
    16 Bulgarian ( ) 11.71
    17 Slovak ( ) 12.07
    18 Maltese ( ) 12.19
    19 Greek_Northwest ( ) 12.36
    20 Macedonian ( ) 12.53

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 52.6% Norwegian_East ( ) + 47.4% Cretan ( ) @ 1.02
    2 67.7% South_German ( ) + 32.3% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.25
    3 69.5% Irish ( ) + 30.5% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.31
    4 52.4% Cretan ( ) + 47.6% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.41
    5 70.8% German-Volga ( ) + 29.2% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.45
    6 61.1% Norwegian_East ( ) + 38.9% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.5
    7 50.1% Dutch ( ) + 49.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 1.57
    8 60.8% Dutch ( ) + 39.2% Cretan ( ) @ 1.65
    9 56.4% Sicilian_West ( ) + 43.6% North_German ( ) @ 1.66
    10 61.4% Sicilian_West ( ) + 38.6% Dane ( ) @ 1.68
    11 51.5% Cretan ( ) + 48.5% Norwegian_West ( ) @ 1.71
    12 59.4% Belgian ( ) + 40.6% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.73
    13 57.3% Sicilian_West ( ) + 42.7% Dutch ( ) @ 1.78
    14 68.7% Dutch ( ) + 31.3% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.79
    15 55.9% Dutch ( ) + 44.1% Sicilian_East ( ) @ 1.79
    16 58.3% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) + 41.7% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 1.82
    17 69.9% German-Volga ( ) + 30.1% Cretan ( ) @ 1.83
    18 68.9% English ( ) + 31.1% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.87
    19 59.4% Frisian ( ) + 40.6% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.89
    20 54% Dutch ( ) + 46% French_Jew ( ) @ 1.91

    Spoiler: 
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 29.36
    2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 26.62
    3 European_Early_Farmers 23.05
    4 South_Central_Asian 6.68
    5 Near_East 5.89
    6 North_African 3.92
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.90


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Italian_North @ 5.576355
    2 Bulgarian @ 8.718830
    3 Greek_Northwest @ 9.484306
    4 Kosovar @ 9.964145
    5 Macedonian @ 10.354059
    6 German-Volga @ 10.494763
    7 Montenegrian @ 10.652430
    8 Serb_Serbia @ 11.466665
    9 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.521767
    10 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.722589
    11 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 11.877713
    12 Albanian_Tirana @ 12.008486
    13 Romanian @ 12.269452
    14 Gagauz @ 13.108708
    15 South_German @ 13.666821
    16 Central_Greek @ 14.663303
    17 Italian_Tuscan @ 14.720754
    18 German_East @ 14.806586
    19 Italian_Piedmont @ 14.922957
    20 Austrian @ 15.335489

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cretan +50% Norwegian_East @ 1.088383


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cretan +25% Icelandic +25% Norwegian_East @ 0.990803


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Bulgarian + CEU + South_German + Syrian_Jew @ 0.742527
    2 Hungarian_Budapest + Italian_North + Syrian_Jew + Welsh @ 0.745456
    3 Bulgarian + South_German + Syrian_Jew + Welsh @ 0.752930
    4 Greek_Thessaloniki + North_European + Norwegian_East + Syrian_Jew @ 0.758012
    5 CEU + Hungarian_Budapest + Italian_North + Syrian_Jew @ 0.766460
    6 English_Cornwall_GBR + Hungarian_Budapest + Italian_North + Syrian_Jew @ 0.773138
    7 Italian_North + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Serb_BH + Syrian_Jew @ 0.773659
    8 Bosnian + Italian_North + Orcadian + Syrian_Jew @ 0.774749
    9 Croat + Italian_North + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Syrian_Jew @ 0.775766
    10 Bosnian + Italian_North + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Syrian_Jew @ 0.789933
    11 Greek_Northwest + North_European + North_German + Syrian_Jew @ 0.809739
    12 Italian_North + Orcadian + Serb_BH + Syrian_Jew @ 0.815216
    13 British + Hungarian_Budapest + Italian_North + Syrian_Jew @ 0.815608
    14 Dutch + Kosovar + Norwegian_East + Syrian_Jew @ 0.816561
    15 Bulgarian + English + English + Syrian_Jew @ 0.821438
    16 Croat + Italian_North + Orcadian + Syrian_Jew @ 0.834621
    17 Austrian + Irish + Italian_North + Syrian_Jew @ 0.840520
    18 Bulgarian + English_Cornwall_GBR + South_German + Syrian_Jew @ 0.847759
    19 Assyrian_Arzni + Croat_BH + Norwegian_West + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS @ 0.851568
    20 Irish + Italian_North + Slovenian + Syrian_Jew @ 0.854989
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    I better not marry your sister

    ...Joke aside, that was strikingly similar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    From Doug McDonald:
    The problem is that McDonald, as well as so many making these tests, uses a biased Finnish reference. It is too stubborn to be made knowingly by testers themselves and I am ready to say that they are not not aware of weaknesses in softwares they use. I can make better analyses using Dna.Land's software (freely available on their site) than Dna.Land can do, despite of their much better reference populations.
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