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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    I would appreciate you quoting some Catholic or Potestant authority to the effect that God is the source of evil.
    Isaiah 45:7 comes to mind, where God explicitly says he is the source of both good and evil: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

    And Proverbs 16:4 where it is said God creates evil people: "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

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    Philosophy and theology are not your forte, and you misinterpreted practically everything in the OP and what is currently being discussed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    There is no common "Abrahamic" view of the problem of evil. What you are describing more or less fits the Judeo-Islamic view. To Judeo-Moslems, God is non-moral power (incidentally, the Hebrew words 'el, 'eloah, 'elohim, etc., and related Semitic words come from a root meaning "strong"), responsible for both good and bad. While to Christians, God is solely good, all things bad coming from outside God. In this respect Christians are heirs to both Greek philosophy and Zoroastrianism.
    Nonsense.
    لأَنَّ فِي كَثْـــرَةِ الْحِكْمَةِ كَثْـــرَةُ الْغَمِّ
    وَالَّذِي يَزِيـــدُ عِلْماً يَزِيـــدُ حُزْناً



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    Quote Originally Posted by An Shigao View Post
    Philosophy and theology are not your forte, and you misinterpreted practically everything in the OP and what is currently being discussed.
    My apologies. I didn’t read properly and proceeded anyway. I will have to reassess that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by An Shigao View Post
    Isaiah 45:7 comes to mind, where God explicitly says he is the source of both good and evil: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

    And Proverbs 16:4 where it is said God creates evil people: "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
    LOL, I asked Catholic or Protestant, not Judaic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    You are ignorant of the actual Oral tradition of the very spare narrative in Sefer Beresheet about the snake. Please study Beresheet Rabbah to get at least a superficial clue about, for example, the primal sexual pollution transmitted to Hhavvah by the nahhash (serpent), which requires continuous atonement. Please also stop writing about Written Torah without the Oral Torah that goes with it. Write instead about your Greek testament about the G-d man. You are not qualified to opine about "What the Torah says"
    "Oral Torah" was made up by 2nd Temple and later Jews permeated with Iranic and Hellenic religious influences who then read their Iranic and Hellenic ideas into the TaNaKh following the lead of the earlier Greeks who were reading their philosophy into ancient myths. "Oral Torah" has very little to do with what authors of the TaNaKh actually thought and wanted to express.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    LOL, I asked Catholic or Protestant, not Judaic.
    Why not also Orthodox Christian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    Nonsense.
    Semitic ’l comes by diphthong contraction from the root ’yl "strong", which you can see in such Hebrew words as ’eyal "strength", ’ayil "strong man" or "ram" and ’el in the expressions yeš/’en le’el "can/can not".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NixYO View Post
    Why not also Orthodox Christian?
    Because he claims that Catholic and Protestant Christians like Jews and Muslims believe that God is the source of evil but does not claim it about Orthodox Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    "Oral Torah" was made up by 2nd Temple and later Jews permeated with Iranic and Hellenic religious influences who then read their Iranic and Hellenic ideas into the TaNaKh following the lead of the earlier Greeks who were reading their philosophy into ancient myths. "Oral Torah" has very little to do with what authors of the TaNaKh actually thought and wanted to express.
    No, the ignorance is completely yours. The above statement is classic medieval church supercessionist b.s. loved especially by Russian Orthodox primitive failures. It is a Christian/Sadducee/Karaite perversion. Bottom line:
    Your impaired coerced translation is a defective partial document, and being a goy, you are not an heir to Torah, especially the unbroken oral tradition from Master to Student, Father to Son, for over 3000 years. Stick to your syncretistic Greek books you will not exceed your comfort zone. You could live 1000 years and unless you undergo a halakhic conversion, you will never be qualified to say: "The Torah says" or "The Torah is". It is like being a wigger only with a long history of racist violence associated with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    No, the ignorance is completely yours. The above statement is classic medieval church supercessionist b.s. loved especially by Russian Orthodox primitive failures. It is a Christian/Sadducee/Karaite perversion. Bottom line:
    Your impaired coerced translation is a defective partial document,
    I quite agree with you here, because not only my but all Christian translations of the TaNaKh are impaired and coerced to fit it to the Indo-European ideas of God. The process was already started by the Greek-educated Jewish translators of the Septuagint.

    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    and being a goy,
    And you are not a goy, right? So Yahweh's promise to Abram was false.

    וְאֶעֶשְׂךָ, לְגוֹי גָּדוֹל (Bereshit12:2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Targum View Post
    you are not an heir to Torah, especially the unbroken oral tradition from Master to Student, Father to Son, for over 3000 years. Stick to your syncretistic Greek books you will not exceed your comfort zone. You could live 1000 years and unless you undergo a halakhic conversion, you will never be qualified to say: "The Torah says" or "The Torah is". It is like being a wigger only with a long history of racist violence associated with it.
    I could not care less about the quackery which goes by the name of Torah study among Jews. All I care about is modern scientific (=Indo-European) research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    LOL, I asked Catholic or Protestant, not Judaic.
    Okay, from New Testament then.

    There's no verse that specifically says "God created good and evil", but it's easy to make the inference though, for instance in the Revelation:

    "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months." Revelation 13:5

    Why would a God allow the Beast to do what it does?

    Here's some more:

    "God is above all things and before all things. He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. He is immortal, and He is present everywhere so that everyone can know Him" (Revelation 21:6).

    "God created all things and holds all things together, both in heaven and on earth, both visible and invisible" (Colossians 1:16).

    "God knows all things past, present, and future. There is no limit to His knowledge, for God knows everything completely before it even happens" (Romans 11:33).

    "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account" (Hebrews 4:13).

    "Jesus looked at them and said, 'With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible'" (Matthew 19:26).

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