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Why in physical anthropology the Mediterranean is conceived as slender, when they are so frequently thick-set and stocky and round-faced? Is that a non-Mediterranean component?
stocky and round-faced comes from the alpine type, classic med types are very slender with the exception of types like Atlanto-Med who are a little bit more robust. Although Med women usually have broader hips than their Nordid counterparts.
stocky and round-faced comes from the alpine type, classic med types are very slender with the exception of types like Atlanto-Med who are a little bit more robust. Although Med women usually have broader hips than their Nordid counterparts.
I see but isn't it a bit strange that so many people from Mediterranean countries show along with their dark pigmentation an Alpine-like body structure, while the center of Europe is not lacking at all of elongated types?
I see but isn't it a bit strange that so many people from Mediterranean countries show along with their dark pigmentation an Alpine-like body structure, while the center of Europe is not lacking at all of elongated types?
Congratulations, you've already realised old school typology is bullshit.
Overall, people tend to be finer boned in hotter, drier regions. But this association isn't perfect, largely because it seems other factors, like diet and social selection, also have a big say how people look in terms of their bone structure.
The Mediterranean "type" doesn't actually exist and never did. Basically, West Eurasians are darker in the south of their range, and fairer up north. They're generally fine boned and gracile in the desert areas, and more robust in the colder regions.
In Europe you'll find extreme examples of both types, as well as everything in between, both in the south and north. But modern urban living seems to encourage the development of very tall, gracile, leptomorphic individuals. This might be linked to modern processed food and social selection, but no one really knows. What is a fact is that in the highly urbanised societies in North/Central Europe, the Cephalic Index has dropped from around 82 to 76 over the past 50 years, without any population movements that would explain such a change.
The Mediterranean "type" doesn't actually exist and never did. Basically, West Eurasians are darker in the south of their range, and fairer up north. They're generally fine boned and gracile in the desert areas, and more robust in the colder regions.
Well that is your opinion which I think is pure nonsense.
Mediterannean peoples can be found from Spain to Asia and it is correct to call them Mediterannoid. Not even only skullwise but also DNA.
Well that is your opinion which I think is pure nonsense.
Mediterannean peoples can be found from Spain to Asia and it is correct to call them Mediterannoid. Not even only skullwise but also DNA.
Are all those squat and thickset and short-faced people from Southern Europe Mediterraneans, or should we call them Alpine?
from Sicily
from Calabria
from Apulia
These are all famous people and not cherrypicked at all; indeed they're quite representative. How would you call them?
Well that is your opinion which I think is pure nonsense.
Mediterannean peoples can be found from Spain to Asia and it is correct to call them Mediterannoid. Not even only skullwise but also DNA.
You really don't want to end up defending the claim that some DNA is "Mediterranean".
I am a Mediterranean person by origin, I am not slender or elongated in body type. I am not really Alpinid in phenotype and I don't have a round face. My face is more sqarish, I am mesocephalic, but as I was born in the island of Malta which is in the centre of the Mediterranean from east to west and south to north, I think I can be called Mediterranean. I am not as dark as some of you think I should be. In Australia, hardly anyone would think I am from Southern Europe. Why? Because here people think Mediterranean Europeans are swarthy, with thick lips, big eyes that slope like Stallone's, a slender body with an oval face. I am of medium complexion neither dark or fair.
The point is people are often not as stereotypes say they should look like. There are dark, stocky Germans and Poles and "Brunn" type Italians and Spanish. The exceptions are more common than stereotypes. Sergi went on about physiques and skull shapes to prove his hypotheses. According to FTDNA's cocktail party tests of SNPs I have two SNPs which predispose me to freckling and sun sensitivity. Having been sunburnt to the extent of large blisters all joining together to form a humungous blister on my arms and blood blisters all over my legs, I would say the SNPs are right.
Mediterannoid skulls and types can be found as far as in India. This could be to high J2b in India which is found also frequently in Southern Balkans and Greece.
Mediterranean body
Originally Posted by M16
from Sicily
from Calabria
from Apulia
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