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Since those Turks are German citizens this can not be called Democracy.
Ethnic German citizens are rarely checked when they bring in wives but ethnic Turks are. If this happened in the USA can you imagine what would have happened?
That's why I like the United States, like Turkey they are a melting part. We Ottoman Turks had Black, Slavic, Jewish prime ministers long before anyone else (they had to be Muslim but nevertheless you get the point)
Originally Posted by JackKnightstick
That's called Democracy. Not fun when the majority votes on the right of a minority, but somehow I think the Germans aren't going to be revising that. lol
That's why I like the United States, like Turkey they are a melting part. We Ottoman Turks had Black, Slavic, Jewish prime ministers long before anyone else (they had to be Muslim but nevertheless you get the point)
Ah yes, so Turkish immigrants in Europe routinely leave their religion or convert to Christianity? Yeah, I didn't think so.
The reason most Europeans dislike muslims and Islam is not (primarily) because of their race, but because of the aggressive behavior and backwards beliefs of many muslim immigrants. It's a cultural conflict.
Ah yes, so Turkish immigrants in Europe routinely leave their religion or convert to Christianity? Yeah, I didn't think so.
The reason most Europeans dislike muslims and Islam is not (primarily) because of their race, but because of the aggressive behavior and backwards beliefs of many muslim immigrants. It's a cultural conflict.
These limits are illegal. After all there is no ban on a German, Swede, Dane to import a wife from Thailand or the Phillipines. If there is abuse then it is a matter for the police but otherwise what Europeans are doing is racism.
They require for example Turks to speak German have high income etc. if they are to come as wives to Germany even if the husband is a German citizen. This is unheard of. My wife couldn't speak Turkish to pass an exam but she is now a Turkish citizen.
The same happens in the US and elsewhere.
Europe is racist. That is the bottom line.
Although I won't dispute that racism plays a part you have to realize that Europeans are waking up to the fact that Muslim immigrants don't share their culture and most have little intention of assimilating into the indigenous culture. Moreover some of them are consciously trying to undermine European society and values. If you look at it from that perspective the restrictions make sense.
The reason most Europeans dislike muslims and Islam is not (primarily) because of their race, but because of the aggressive behavior and backwards beliefs of many muslim immigrants. It's a cultural conflict.
It is not true, many immigrants that burn cars and clash with the police inside immigrant ghettos of my hometown - Malmö - are Lebanese and Iraqi Christians, secular Albanians and Serbians. They do not behave differently from Muslims either.
Since those Turks are German citizens this can not be called Democracy.
Democracy is retarded. Germany is a Federal Republic. If you want "democracy", take a time machine back to 1987 and hang out in East Berlin, the capital of the German Democratic Republic.
A country like Germany that has criminalized holocaust denial, use of swastikas, and fascism cannot be considered a democracy anyway.
It is not true, many immigrants that burn cars and clash with the police inside immigrant ghettos of my hometown - Malmö - are Lebanese and Iraqi Christians, secular Albanians and Serbians. They do not behave differently from Muslims either.
Of course not all groups who have a higher-than-average crime rate are muslim, but most muslim groups have a higher-than-average crime rate. For example, here in Belgium the main (non-European) immigrant communities are Moroccans and Turks. Moroccans in particular are known for their aggressive behavior and tendency towards petty street crime - Turks are actually not that bad, they mostly keep to themselves.
This creates a perception in the minds of the public that muslim culture is violent, and of course, recent world developments have done nothing at all to dispel this notion. Now, I agree we can argue about whether it is the Islamic religion in particular that is causing this or simply Middle Eastern culture in general, but the two are obviously very closely intertwined. That's why I'm not a fan of immigration from the Middle East whether they are muslim or not.
No it doesn't mean that. The mere fact that citizenship in Germany was based on blood until recently shows us how screwed up Europe is.
In Turkey for example a 5 year residence, no criminal record and tax documents get you citizenship immediately. Marrying a Turkish citizen results in immediate Turkish citizenship, too.
The mere fact that you question someone's German citizenship purely based on ethnicity shows that you have no idea what liberal means.
Originally Posted by Balder
Really? The fact that they own German citizenship mean to say that the German state itself is - heavily - a liberal democracy.
Originally Posted by JackKnightstick
That's called Democracy.Not fun when the majority votes on the right of a minority, but somehow I think the Germans aren't going to be revising that. lol
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