Racial difference in IQ?

[DogHouse]

Now, I don't take the film Apocalypto to be historically accurate by any means, but I feel it is a reasonably releastic look into the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation. It is clear these people are not as intelligent as Europeans, they were far, far less developed and absolute savages compared to Europeans.

Now, the average IQ of a European/Amerinidan mixed country is about 90. Considering this, I would wager a guess that the optimium average IQ of a pure Amerindian is about 80, and considering the conditions of pre-colonial Americas, I would suspect the average IQ in these times was 70-75.

Very occasionally uncontacted tribes of Amerindians are found, and they have IQs that are around this mark. It was once attempted to teach a certain tribe to count (as there was no concept of counting in their language/mindset), with no success at all.

I think it is painfully obvious that there is a racial difference in IQ, there are too many coincidences for there not to be.

[Angevin]

Now, I don't take the film Apocalypto to be historically accurate by any means, but I feel it is a reasonably releastic look into the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation. It is clear these people are not as intelligent as Europeans, they were far, far less developed and absolute savages compared to Europeans.

Now, the average IQ of a European/Amerinidan mixed country is about 90. Considering this, I would wager a guess that the optimium average IQ of a pure Amerindian is about 80, and considering the conditions of pre-colonial Americas, I would suspect the average IQ in these times was 70-75.

Very occasionally uncontacted tribes of Amerindians are found, and they have IQs that are around this mark. It was once attempted to teach a certain tribe to count (as there was no concept of counting in their language/mindset), with no success at all.

I think it is painfully obvious that there is a racial difference in IQ, there are too many coincidences for there not to be.

Of course there are racial differences in IQ. There is too much historical and scientific evidence to surmise otherwise. Thing is liberals originally believed it was all environmental i.e. Tabula Rasa and that cultural uplifting could bring their little brown brothers up to the white level. However when the differences proved to be biological and intractable, to a very significant degree, liberals didn't come out and say "we where wrong and the races are not equal" but rather they now consciously lie through their teeth about it ostensibly. Liberals need to be slaughtered wholesale, in a political revolution, and this is just one of the reasons why.

[SilverKnight]

Now, I don't take the film Apocalypto to be historically accurate by any means, but I feel it is a reasonably releastic look into the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation. It is clear these people are not as intelligent as Europeans, they were far, far less developed and absolute savages compared to Europeans.

Now, the average IQ of a European/Amerinidan mixed country is about 90. Considering this, I would wager a guess that the optimium average IQ of a pure Amerindian is about 80, and considering the conditions of pre-colonial Americas, I would suspect the average IQ in these times was 70-75.

Very occasionally uncontacted tribes of Amerindians are found, and they have IQs that are around this mark. It was once attempted to teach a certain tribe to count (as there was no concept of counting in their language/mindset), with no success at all.

I think it is painfully obvious that there is a racial difference in IQ, there are too many coincidences for there not to be.

Do you really think that the amerindian civilizations which had acquired the ability to study the cosmos, build mathematically precise structures such as pyramids, temples, had created complex linguistic systems, create a complex calendar such as the mayans had. to the smallest handcrafted details on rock objects and much more would had I.Q levels as low as 70's?

[DogHouse]

Do you really think that the amerindian civilizations which had acquired the ability to study the cosmos, build mathematically precise structures such as pyramids, temples, had created complex linguistic systems, create a complex calendar such as the mayans had. to the smallest handcrafted details on rock objects and much more would had I.Q levels as low as 70's?

There's always people of exceptionally high IQ levels in any society, it doesn't make them the norm. None the less, what they had achieved was pretty low level stuff compared to what Europeans and East Asians had acheived by this point.

[Tenochkatl]

Now, I don't take the film Apocalypto to be historically accurate by any means, but I feel it is a reasonably releastic look into the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation. It is clear these people are not as intelligent as Europeans, they were far, far less developed and absolute savages compared to Europeans.

Now, the average IQ of a European/Amerinidan mixed country is about 90. Considering this, I would wager a guess that the optimium average IQ of a pure Amerindian is about 80, and considering the conditions of pre-colonial Americas, I would suspect the average IQ in these times was 70-75.

Very occasionally uncontacted tribes of Amerindians are found, and they have IQs that are around this mark. It was once attempted to teach a certain tribe to count (as there was no concept of counting in their language/mindset), with no success at all.

I think it is painfully obvious that there is a racial difference in IQ, there are too many coincidences for there not to be.

If you take Mel Gibson films as historically accurate then you must have a low IQ yourself.

Yeah, retarded Amerindians would have never discovered the concept of zero way before any Caucasoid nor would they have built conurbations larger and more complex and organized than any European city at the same time period (look up Tenochtitlan and Teotihuacan) without the use of pack animals. These cities had sewage and a garbage disposal system before medieval Europeans discovered what a shower was. They would have never developed an almost unmatchedly accurate and complex calendars known to man nor would they have ever discovered and worked out the extremely complex mathematics and astrological knowledge behind it. Should I continue?

[SilverKnight]

There's always people of exceptionally high IQ levels in any society, it doesn't make them the norm. None the less, what they had achieved was pretty low level stuff compared to what Europeans and East Asians had acheived by this point.

"pretty low level stuff " sure.

What ever the mayans, aztecs, or incas did wasn't low level, it was at the same incredible levels of achievements as Europeans or east Asians.

[DogHouse]

If you take Mel Gibson films as historically accurate then you must have a low IQ yourself.

Considering I said the exact opposite of that I wonder who has the low IQ.

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"pretty low level stuff " sure.

What ever the mayans, aztecs, or incas did wasn't low level, it was at the same incredible levels of achievements as Europeans or east Asians.

Last time I checked it wasn't Amerindians who was colonising half the world. To suggest that Amerindian achievements are on the same level as Europeans and East Asians is absurd. Their astronomy and mathematical "advancements" were years behind Chinese, whites and arabs.

[SilverKnight]

Considering I said the exact opposite of that I wonder who has the low IQ.

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Last time I checked it wasn't Amerindians who was colonising half the world. To suggest that Amerindian achievements are on the same level as Europeans and East Asians is absurd.

What does colonizing half of the world have to do with the darn I.Q levels ?
East-Asians didn't colonize half of the world so it means there I.Q levels are much lower then Europeans, last time I checked didn't see that.

[Tenochkatl]

Considering I said the exact opposite of that I wonder who has the low IQ.

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Last time I checked it wasn't Amerindians who was colonising half the world. To suggest that Amerindian achievements are on the same level as Europeans and East Asians is absurd.

Now, I don't take the film Apocalypto to be historically accurate by any means, but I feel it is a reasonably releastic look into the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation. It is clear these people are not as intelligent as Europeans, they were far, far less developed and absolute savages compared to Europeans.

You do attach historical accuracy to the film by saying it's reasonably realistic about the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation. Your own words.

I'd address your other points about European and Asian superiority but I got shit to do. A lot of it has to do with the Americas' geographical plane and it's inherent disadvantages compared to Eurasia's.

And Amerindian mathematical achievement was nowhere near years behind Eurasia's at the time of the conquest, they were quite on par if anything.

[DogHouse]

What does colonizing half of the world have to do with the darn I.Q levels ?
East-Asians didn't colonize half of the world so it means there I.Q levels are much lower then Europeans, last time I checked didn't see that.

Well, to sail boats 4000-5000 miles across the sea in itself takes a high level of intelligence before you deal with the actual colonisation.

Also, the East Asians were prolific colonialists, look up Japan. The Han Chinese also pushed Westwards and colonised the Turkic, Tibeteans and various non-Han people in the West.

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You do attach historical accuracy to the film by saying it's reasonably realistic about the way of life of Amerindians pre-colonisation.

Well, I think it is an acurate represention of life in pre-European Amerindian society. Indeed, it is portraying an Amerindian civilisation in a state of war and social collapse, but I think the portrayal of the tools and weaponary they had available, the social interaction, the method of transport (feet only), all of which are FAR behind anything Europe or East Asia had at the time. I certainly think it was a realistic portrayal of the atmosphere of a pre-European Amerindian society, albeit one in turmoil.