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    In South-Saami: tjiddjie
    In Ume-Saami: tjidtjee
    In Pite-Saami: tjittjie
    In Lule-Saami: tjidtjē
    In North-Saami: čižži
    In Skolt-Saami: tši̬ᴅ̜ᴅ̜ᴢ̜̌
    In Akkala-Saami: čič
    In Kildin-Saami: t́š́iᴅ́t́š́
    In Proto-Saami: ćińćē

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    It's a proto-Polish (proto-IE) loanword to many languages.

    Cycki in Polish (pronounced Tzitzki) meaning boobz.

    Tits or titties in English.
    We have two words ‘Cycki’ – ‘the female brest’ and gross form ‘cyce’ meaning the same but applied to larger boobz mostly.

    Polish ‘cyce’ corresponds to Sanskrit ‘cuci’- “the female brest’.

    http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koel...00-cukraka.jpg

    They also have in Sanskrit ‘cucuka’ meaning “nipple” which corresponds to Polish ‘sutka’-‘nipple’.
    No doubt Sanskrit ‘cuci’ was borrowed from proto-Polish (proto-IE) ‘cyce’ because in Russian they don’t have it and only form ‘сиськи’ (sisʹki) is present.
    Sanskrit ‘cucuka’-“nipple” is also closer to Polish ‘sutka’- ‘nipple’ then Russian “соскa”(soska)- “nipple”.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxum View Post
    Wow, in Georgian, woman's breast is "dzudzu"
    In German, female breast of a mammal is called "Zitze". In Polish, it is "Cicek".

    In Kurdish, it is mama or mamk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palisto View Post
    In German, female breast of a mammal is called "Zitze". In Polish, it is "Cicek".

    In Kurdish, it is mama or mamk.
    ‘Cycek’ in Polish is singular and ‘cycki’ is plural’
    Similarily another form ‘cyc’ is singular and ‘cyce’ is plural.
    German ‘zitze’ means nipple and probably comes from Slavic ‘cycek’- “female breast” because other Germanic languages don’t seem to have similar words and most common form for nipple in German is ‘nippel’.
    German ‘zitze’ < Polish ‘cycek’.



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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    ‘Cycek’ in Polish is singular and ‘cycki’ is plural’
    Similarily another form ‘cyc’ is singular and ‘cyce’ is plural.
    German ‘zitze’ means nipple and probably comes from Slavic ‘cycek’- “female breast” because other Germanic languages don’t seem to have similar words and most common form for nipple in German is ‘nippel’.
    German ‘zitze’ < Polish ‘cycek’.
    Zitze comes from Titte, from Proto-Germanic titta



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    We can relate it to Malay susu.
    I think the name is a common onomatopoeic sound for sucking things in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palisto View Post
    Zitze comes from Titte, from Proto-Germanic titta
    Palisto, I think that it can be like this:
    German ‘zitze’ < Proto-Germanic ‘titta’ < Proto-Slavic ‘cyce’

    According to linguists Germanic languages are closely related to Italic and Celtic languages and some speak about Italo-Celto-Germanic group.
    We know that Celtic and Germanic populations are very close genetically, so it makes sense.

    At certain time in history Germanic languages however converged to Slavic by word borrowing. It is described for example in

    Dawid W. Anthony „The Horse, The Wheel and Language” page 57






    But it seems that Italic languages and Baltic languages don’t have words similar to ‘zitze’ or ‘tits’ and therefore Polako’s hypothesis seems to be the most probable. Because Germanic languages borrowed a lot of words from Slavic, ‘zitze’/’tits’ could be one of them too.

    This would also explain presence of some East_European component in Germanic populations and the nature of the word would also suggest that it may have come partially from women.

    There are also theories that Scandinavia was Indo-European but not Germanic speaking in the past, i.e. before the arrival of Celto-Germanic tribes in Iron Age, and that IE language could be close to Proto-Slavic.

    For example Eupedia presents such view but also some serious linguists speak about it:
    The Germanic branch of Indo-European languages probably evolved from a merger of Corded-Ware R1a (Proto-Slavic language) and the later arrival of Italo-Celtic R1b from Central Europe. This is supported by the fact that Germanic people are hybrid R1a-R1b, that these two haplogroups came via separate routes at different times, and also on the linguistics of Proto-Germanic language, which shares similarities with Italic, Celtic and Slavic languages. The Corded Ware R1a people would have mixed with the pre-Germanic I1 aborigines to create the Nordic Bronze Age (1800-500 BCE). R1b presumably reached Scandinavia later as a northward migration from the contemporary Hallstatt culture (1200-500 BCE). The first genuine Germanic tongue has been estimated by linguists to have come into existence around (or after) 500 BCE. This would confirm that it emerged as a blend of Hallstatt Proto-Celtic and the Corded-Ware Proto-Slavic. The uniqueness of some of the Germanic vocabulary points at borrowing from native pre-Indo-European languages. Celtic language itself is known to have borrowed from Afro-Asiatic languages spoken by Near-Eastern immigrants to Central Europe. The fact that present-day Scandinavia is composed of roughly 40% of I1, 20% of R1a and 40% of R1b reinforces the idea that Germanic ethnicity and language had acquired a tri-hybrid character by the Iron Age.
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...s_europe.shtml



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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    Palisto, I think that it can be like this:
    German ‘zitze’ < Proto-Germanic ‘titta’ < Proto-Slavic ‘cyce’
    /ts/ becoming /t/ sounds like an unlikely shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastPole View Post
    Palisto, I think that it can be like this:
    German ‘zitze’ < Proto-Germanic ‘titta’ < Proto-Slavic ‘cyce’

    According to linguists Germanic languages are closely related to Italic and Celtic languages and some speak about Italo-Celto-Germanic group.
    We know that Celtic and Germanic populations are very close genetically, so it makes sense.

    At certain time in history Germanic languages however converged to Slavic by word borrowing. It is described for example in

    Dawid W. Anthony „The Horse, The Wheel and Language” page 57






    But it seems that Italic languages and Baltic languages don’t have words similar to ‘zitze’ or ‘tits’ and therefore Polako’s hypothesis seems to be the most probable. Because Germanic languages borrowed a lot of words from Slavic, ‘zitze’/’tits’ could be one of them too.

    This would also explain presence of some East_European component in Germanic populations and the nature of the word would also suggest that it may have come partially from women.

    There are also theories that Scandinavia was Indo-European but not Germanic speaking in the past, i.e. before the arrival of Celto-Germanic tribes in Iron Age, and that IE language could be close to Proto-Slavic.

    For example Eupedia presents such view but also some serious linguists speak about it:

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...s_europe.shtml
    Thanks for all that information. I just mentioned how the etymology of "Zitze" is explained by others.
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Zitze
    http://www.myetymology.com/german/Zitze.html
    http://www.reference.com/browse/zitze

    Tools for Dodecad distance calculations are ready to use.
    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...5&postcount=14

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...8&postcount=12
    Last edited by Palisto; 2011-11-06 at 11:16.



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    I made some maps based on the main components of Europe that can be seen in that thread. The ensuing discussion on there might be of interest to some.
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