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    What the OP really described is not individualism/collectivism, but cooperativeness and lack of it:

    Cooperativeness - Wikipedia

    Women are less cooperative than men. It has nothing to do with collectivism vs. individualism.

    You can be very individualistic but cooperative, or very collectivist but not cooperative at all.

    Lack of cooperativeness is likely why most of matriarchal societies in prehistory & history collapsed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    I think it might be true. Women are more focused to personal interests like caring their own family/home. Stronger instinct about that. Men are more concerned about themselves. But they are still more collectivist, their social skills are better to be friend and confort people. So, after the matrilineal societies, males managed to create big empires with not only their strenght or brains, but also the way their collectivistic nature helps it.
    If women try to be collectivistic in larger number of people, its harder for her. She will be more concerned about blood relative and seem anthipathic to others, wont able to lead well or make true friendships. If you manage an empire with 5 women leaders in different sides, they wouldnt able to trust or feel eachothers as males respect and trust eachothers.
    You are confusing individualism with lack of cooperativeness. In case of many women it is the latter, they lack cooperativeness despite often being collectivist (and someone can be individualistic as well as cooperative at the same time, for example this is my case - I am individualistic but cooperative as well):

    Cooperativeness - Wikipedia

    "Cloninger described cooperative individuals as socially tolerant, empathic, helpful, and compassionate, as opposed to intolerant, callous, unhelpful, and vengeful. He compared cooperativeness to Carl Rogers' description of facilitative people who show unconditional acceptance of others, empathy with others' feelings and willingness to help without a desire for selfish domination. Cloninger regarded high cooperativeness as a sign of psychological maturity and of advanced moral development as described by Kohlberg.[1]

    Cooperativeness is assessed with five subscales in the Temperament and Character Inventory:[1]

    Social acceptance vs. intolerance (C1)
    Empathy vs. social disinterest (C2)
    Helpfulness vs. unhelpfulness (C3)
    Compassion vs. revengefulness (C4)
    Principles vs. self-advantage (C5)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    You are confusing individualism with lack of cooperativeness. In case of many women it is the latter, they lack cooperativeness despite often being collectivist (and someone can be individualistic as well as cooperative at the same time, for example this is my case - I am individualistic but cooperative as well):

    Cooperativeness - Wikipedia

    "Cloninger described cooperative individuals as socially tolerant, empathic, helpful, and compassionate, as opposed to intolerant, callous, unhelpful, and vengeful. He compared cooperativeness to Carl Rogers' description of facilitative people who show unconditional acceptance of others, empathy with others' feelings and willingness to help without a desire for selfish domination. Cloninger regarded high cooperativeness as a sign of psychological maturity and of advanced moral development as described by Kohlberg.[1]

    Cooperativeness is assessed with five subscales in the Temperament and Character Inventory:[1]

    Social acceptance vs. intolerance (C1)
    Empathy vs. social disinterest (C2)
    Helpfulness vs. unhelpfulness (C3)
    Compassion vs. revengefulness (C4)
    Principles vs. self-advantage (C5)"
    My English is not very good but I think women are cooperative in the societies. I thought collectivism is something like a leader taking care/value his people/group more than himself. Like a man more likely would die for his nation or care of the society he belongs and describe himself based on that group. For example males see the world more like: whites/ indians / blacks etc or states like being a 'German man' or 'Iraqi man' means much for their personality. Women naturally care less and effect their personality less. If her society dont give physical pressure or law doesnt enforces things, women in the world would be more similar to eachothers. They would be effected less by 'they belong to that group'. They would be more concerned about family/clan (smaller group). She would only follow the instincts. Doesnt have that skill specially.
    Todays big national, imperial identities are very based on male way of thinking and feeling.
    Also males care of the people who belongs to their larger community. They would feel more and sacrify more because its merged witb their self value in their mind. Makes them better leaders and more understand/trust eachothers when leading
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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    She would only follow the instincts.
    So you are claiming that women are more animalistic than men?

    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    They would be more concerned about family/clan (smaller group).
    That would be regress rather than progress compared to the present-day situation.

    We should strive for being concerned about entire humanity, rather than going back to tribalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    So you are claiming that women are more animalistic than men?



    That would be regress rather than progress.

    We should strive for being concerned about entire humanity, rather than going back to tribes.
    Just stronger instinct for protection. Natural for female mammals, they take care of the fragile babies. In the most cases women lose against their instinct more.
    Men can be more understanding and caring to someone unrelated to him but in his own community. He can be a better friend. So, more sympathic leader for large community. Woman is a better leader for small community.

    Like: woman more likely will care of her family more than herself. But man more likely will care of his country more than himself. Men gives himself value for what he belongs a peace of larger something. Woman see herself more alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    The majority of men are losers and worth less than any women who is able to give birth. So they die first
    Tesla predicted you (especially from 4:36 onwards):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Tesla predicted you (especially from 4:36 onwards):

    Its rare and needs a great open-mind to talk like that if you are a male. Because male ego is huge. Its not easy for a male to be objective and selfless in these subjects. Its not easy to be okey the women have more advantage in the future (possibility of that) or even any basic smallest things like; every possitive thing must be male. Very typical close minded male with big ego claims he is more open minded than women for example. Only because the idea how the women can be something better than him. Its not only the societys fault, its also the male hormons help this nonsense.
    Women nature / hormons and need of giving birth, physical weakness etc paralised one genders achievements for some period of time. Now its males turn. Their hormons will make the majority of them not able to adapt and many of them will fail. Women wity power wont have to be with them anymore. They will be alone in their rooms/ or geeky interests. There will be clearly 2 types of men in the futures society. One type will be sexually non-existent for women. Its not women VS men.

    And no, smaller communities is not a better choice and male leadership and the constructing collectivity skills now seems makes humans develop faster than it was before. For now

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