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    Default Origin of Egypt

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_culture

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt

    Here are the articles to evidence of Egypt's origin,

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    Savanna culture in Saharan Africa now Libya through northern Sudan.
    Predominantly of East African origin with some Levantine and Iberian influx.
    When the savannas start drying up they move back into the Nile valley and pre-dynastic Egypt occurs. Quite simple.

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    Thank you for making the thread. Before I go further, I have to explain something important.

    Ancient Egypt was indeed an "African" civilization. It was located in North Africa. However, even though the inhabitants themselves were not "black/negroid" (African does not necessarily mean Negroid...North Africa is certainly not Negroid) there is something else I need to address. Euro-centrists are as deluded as "Negro-centrists" in this regard on your behalf even.

    I heard many "Euro-centrists" here claiming ancient Middle Eastern civilizations as "accomplishments of the Caucasian race". I am here to say; there should be no such thing as that. What does someone who's ancestors are from Estonia for example, have anything to do with the Middle East? People who claim "accomplishments of the Caucasian race" are dishonest. "Semitic accomplishments" "Middle Eastern accomplishments" etc are all acceptable however. And for Euros, "European accomplishments/inventions" are acceptable. No more bullshit please. "Inventions of the Caucasian" race is a dishonest term in my honest opinion.

    Anyway, to the point. Ancient Egyptians were simply neither European or Sub-Saharan African. Cut this charade. The groups they were closest to, were indeed Middle Easterners. They had roots in the Middle East. It's simple as that. When Black posters here are arguing about Ancient Egyptians, they are mostly arguing with European posters. Your best defense is showing that Ancient Egyptians were not European, which is true. But that doesn't mean anything in the larger picture. The closest modern people to the Ancient Egyptians are Semitics living in the Northern Middle East. Not people with origins in West Africa or Europeans.

    The End for now. I have a class, I will be back to finish this later.

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    "Middle Eastern" is not a race and also, there has been no Sub-Saharan influx into Egypt in recent years so why do many modern Egyptians (if not most) look very clearly distinguishable from Levantines? The closest people in the Middle East proper to Egyptians looks wise are Yemenis and Saudis and we all know it's because of their partial East African ancestry.

    Ancient Egyptians certainly didn't look like you, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    Thank you for making the thread. Before I go further, I have to explain something important.

    Ancient Egypt was indeed an "African" civilization. It was located in North Africa. However, even though the inhabitants themselves were not "black/negroid" (African does not necessarily mean Negroid...North Africa is certainly not Negroid) there is something else I need to address. Euro-centrists are as deluded as "Negro-centrists" in this regard on your behalf even.

    I heard many "Euro-centrists" here claiming ancient Middle Eastern civilizations as "accomplishments of the Caucasian race". I am here to say; there should be no such thing as that. What does someone who's ancestors are from Estonia for example, have anything to do with the Middle East? People who claim "accomplishments of the Caucasian race" are dishonest. "Semitic accomplishments" "Middle Eastern accomplishments" etc are all acceptable however. And for Euros, "European accomplishments/inventions" are acceptable. No more bullshit please. "Inventions of the Caucasian" race is a dishonest term in my honest opinion.

    Anyway, to the point. Ancient Egyptians were simply neither European or Sub-Saharan African. Cut this charade. The groups they were closest to, were indeed Middle Easterners. They had roots in the Middle East. It's simple as that. When Black posters here are arguing about Ancient Egyptians, they are mostly arguing with European posters. Your best defense is showing that Ancient Egyptians were not European, which is true. But that doesn't mean anything in the larger picture. The closest modern people to the Ancient Egyptians are Semitics living in the Northern Middle East. Not people with origins in West Africa or Europeans.

    The End for now. I have a class, I will be back to finish this later.
    Ancient Egyptians had their roots in the Sahara and Nile Valley, not the Middle East, and they were close to East Africans, not West Africans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    Thank you for making the thread. Before I go further, I have to explain something important.

    Ancient Egypt was indeed an "African" civilization. It was located in North Africa. However, even though the inhabitants themselves were not "black/negroid" (African does not necessarily mean Negroid...North Africa is certainly not Negroid) there is something else I need to address. Euro-centrists are as deluded as "Negro-centrists" in this regard on your behalf even.

    I heard many "Euro-centrists" here claiming ancient Middle Eastern civilizations as "accomplishments of the Caucasian race". I am here to say; there should be no such thing as that. What does someone who's ancestors are from Estonia for example, have anything to do with the Middle East? People who claim "accomplishments of the Caucasian race" are dishonest. "Semitic accomplishments" "Middle Eastern accomplishments" etc are all acceptable however. And for Euros, "European accomplishments/inventions" are acceptable. No more bullshit please. "Inventions of the Caucasian" race is a dishonest term in my honest opinion.

    Anyway, to the point. Ancient Egyptians were simply neither European or Sub-Saharan African. Cut this charade. The groups they were closest to, were indeed Middle Easterners. They had roots in the Middle East. It's simple as that. When Black posters here are arguing about Ancient Egyptians, they are mostly arguing with European posters. Your best defense is showing that Ancient Egyptians were not European, which is true. But that doesn't mean anything in the larger picture. The closest modern people to the Ancient Egyptians are Semitics living in the Northern Middle East. Not people with origins in West Africa or Europeans.

    The End for now. I have a class, I will be back to finish this later.
    Well according to most "racial scientists" Middle Eastern or Semitic peoples are Caucasian. How exactly are you using the term, as a strictly linguistic group? The Egyptians are definitely not Semitic, however they have been Arabized to some degree, they are Afro-Asiatic, along with Semites, Berbers, Kushites and Amharic speakers. Genetically speaking these groups are usually treated separately, though today the Egyptians do cluster a bit with West Asians.

    I personally reject the term Caucasian, they are definitely not European, that is obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omm 'e m.e.r.d.a. View Post
    Well according to most "racial scientists" Middle Eastern or Semitic peoples are Caucasian. How exactly are you using the term, as a strictly linguistic group?
    I know we are considered "Caucasian". It's too broad a term, it is out-dated and unfair.

    Listen, what I am saying is... people who are "Caucasian" but from places such as Estonia in Europe claiming Middle Eastern inventions for example as "achievements of the Caucasian race" or to associate it with themselves in anyway when they have nothing to do with the Middle East is insane. Just as a Middle Easterner hailing vikings and their achievements as "accomplishments of our Caucasian race!". It is all bullshit.

    Many "Euro-Centrists" are guilty of this. What Middle Easterners invented in the Fertile Crescent and beyond...they are simply Middle Eastern/Semitic inventions... no need for people to say "Caucasian invention" as that is too broad of a category and gives credit to people who don't deserve it. Plain and simple.

    That is one point where I agree with you guys on.

    Modern North Africans and Middle Easterners are the closest thing to the Ancient Egyptians. West Africans and Europeans are not close relatively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    I know we are considered "Caucasian". It's too broad a term, it is out-dated and unfair.

    Listen, what I am saying is... people who are "Caucasian" but from places such as Estonia in Europe claiming Middle Eastern inventions for example as "achievements of the Caucasian race" or to associate it with themselves in anyway when they have nothing to do with the Middle East is insane. Just as a Middle Easterner hailing vikings and their achievements as "accomplishments of our Caucasian race!". It is all bullshit.

    Many "Euro-Centrists" are guilty of this. What Middle Easterners invented in the Fertile Crescent and beyond...they are simply Middle Eastern/Semitic inventions... no need for people to say "Caucasian invention" as that is too broad of a category and gives credit to people who don't deserve it. Plain and simple.

    That is one point where I agree with you guys on.

    Modern North Africans and Middle Easterners are the closest thing to the Ancient Egyptians. West Africans and Europeans are not close relatively.
    Oh I understand what you mean. They aren't Europeans, especially in the ancient period, before Hellenic culture took hold. But Egyptians are definitely not Semites, though they may be related to both Semitic and Kushitic peoples from the east and south. From the genetics tests I've seen, the modern Egyptians cluster only a small bit with West Africans, and to a greater extant East Africans, West Asians and Northwest Africans. As a culture however they are unique and stand on their own in my opinion. I think of Semites and Egyptians as their own cultural groups, because of both self-disambiguation, and linguistic fraternity.

    And specifically about the term Caucasian, I agree completely. I think more in terms of culture than "race", but in terms of race I think more in terms of genetics than typology, and I don't consider it to be very relevant anyhow. The more I study genetics, the more I see how connected humans are and how insignificant the conception of race is. We all blend into one another, and many ethnicity's show multiple linages. I think it would be really interesting to see a genetics study of the Ancient Egyptians, it would be interesting to see where they cluster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omm 'e m.e.r.d.a. View Post
    Oh I understand what you mean. They aren't Europeans, especially in the ancient period, before Hellenic culture took hold. But Egyptians are definitely not Semites, though they may be related to both Semitic and Kushitic peoples from the east and south. From the genetics tests I've seen, the modern Egyptians cluster only a small bit with West Africans, and to a greater extant East Africans, West Asians and Northwest Africans. As a culture however they are unique and stand on their own in my opinion. I think of Semites and Egyptians as their own cultural groups, because of both self-disambiguation, and linguistic fraternity.
    I agree. And I was not saying Ancient Egyptians were necessarily Semites per se in this case. I recently learned that they are not actually Semitic (as in they were not closely related to Phoenicians, Canaanites, Hebrews, etc) but they were more like modern North Africans and Middle Easterners than "Europeans" or "Negroids". As I said before, "African" should not necessarily be synonymous with "Negroid" (black man). Just because Ancient Egypt was indeed an "African" civilization does not make it a "Negroid" one.

    And specifically about the term Caucasian, I agree completely. I think more in terms of culture than "race", but in terms of race I think more in terms of genetics than typology, and I don't consider it to be very relevant anyhow. The more I study genetics, the more I see how connected humans are and how insignificant the conception of race is. We all blend into one another, and many ethnicity's show multiple linages. I think it would be really interesting to see a genetics study of the Ancient Egyptians, it would be interesting to see where they cluster.
    True. I agree with you here completely as well.

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