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    Default Congoid or Negroid?

    Anti-racist activists such as Elizabeth Martinez have suggested that one reason the term is regarded as offensive is because while other races are identified by the geographical places where it was assumed those people most typical of their phenotype live (the Caucasus for those called Caucasoids and Mongolia for those called Mongoloids), Negroids were identified by their color (niger = black). To remedy this, some have suggested substituting the term Congoid (referring to the Congo region) [17] for those people formerly termed Negroid.
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid

    No idea who removed this from the Wikipedia article, or why, but anyway, let's have a discussion about this. Which anthropology term do you think is the most proper and correct to call sub-Saharan Africans by.

    Please also explain why you prefer one over the other.

    Personally, I think Congoid is more correct and valid, because it's based on geography, and skin colour is not a valid race marker. However, I find myself often using "Negroid" because it's more common and most people understand what you mean by "Negroid".
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    I think that Negroid was probably more intuitive to people, back when "Negro" was a common ethnic identifier; as that is less the case now, I could understand why Congoid might be preferred. Though it seems to me that if the two terms are identical, and not used perjoratively, than I have no preference. On the other hand, for the sake of standardization, picking one of the two is useful, and if people find Negroid offensive, Congoid is the practical choice.


    edit: I thought I voted Congoid, but it seems to list my vote under Africoid now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berossus View Post
    I think that Negroid was probably more intuitive to people, back when "Negro" was a common ethnic identifier; as that is less the case now, I could understand why Congoid might be preferred. Though it seems to me that if the two terms are identical, and not used perjoratively, than I have no preference. On the other hand, for the sake of standardization, picking one of the two is useful, and if people find Negroid offensive, Congoid is the practical choice.
    I don't want to be politically correct or anything, and pick Congoid over Negroid for politically correct reasons, but from a strictly scientific point of view, I must say, Congoid is better because it's about geography. Negroid simply means "black-like" and that's not a proper name for a race. Also, there are other, OOA races that are equally dark as SSA populations, and we can't call everyone Negrito, Negroid, Negrid and so on. It would be confusing.

    I don't think Africoid is a good term at all, however, because it was originally a term used for and by northern Africans (Phoenicians, Berbers or something like that) so I won't put my vote on Africoid.
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    edit: I thought I voted Congoid, but it seems to list my vote under Africoid now.
    I added "Africoid" too, so this obviously screwed it up while you were voting. Try again in an hour or so. I've reset the poll.
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    Bantuid is what I prefer. It's a specific ethnocultural label, while Congo contains both pygmies and bantus.

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    Elias:

    Yeah, I'll try to vote again next time I get on the site.

    I agree with you about Africoid - it would be misleading with regard to North African Caucasoid populations. I don't think though that Negroid was ever intended to imply all dark-skinned people; at least in America, Negro was a common ethnic identifier for Black Africans. That said, I think your reasoning does make sense because just like Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Australoid all correspond to places, so does Congoid.

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    Caucasoid = Caucasus
    Mongoloid = Mongolia
    Australoid = Australia
    Congoid = Congo


    Sounds about right.

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    Negroid, because as EA earlier mentioned its a better known term.

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    I use all the terms but I'd also say congoid is the more correct one of the three in question. Negroid as you said really mean black-like. And in that case the indigenous Australians could wrongfully be called negroid only because they are often very dark skinned.

    Sub-Saharanoid could work too.
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    The origin of Sub-Saharan Africans are not in or around the Congo region, so there for it is irreverent for them to be called or given the name. Bantuid or Bantu is a language group, which leaves out a majority of Africans including West Africans, since they are not of Bantu decent. Not much research has been done on the origin of negroids, however Colin P. Groves and Alan Thorne have done research on this topic with the following quote.


    The earliest remains of 'Negroids' are found in Sudan on the Egyptian Sudanese border at Jebel Sahaba and Tushka. Tushka dates back to 14, 500 B.P.[plus or minus 490 years] and Sahaba is datd back to 13,700 B.P.8plus or minus 300 years]. Both are associated with Qadan blade industry.

    Terminal Pleistocene and early Holocene populations of Northern Africa

    Colin P. Groves and Alan Thorne.

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