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    I think we can make a differantiation.

    Organised Criminality , is present all around the world. Of course there are cultural differences. But they deal in the same stuff: Drug traffic, Weapon traffic, people trafficking, finance, terrorism, rackets, gambling etc...

    Mafia is just the name of the organized crime from Sicily (Now Camorra from Campania and Ndrangheta from calabria being much more dangerous and rich)

    One thing that differentiates Sicily and then South of Italy in general has been the general Lack of Statal Presence. Therefore the Organised Crime simply enjoyed this lack of statal presence. ( some of the Borbon monarchs in the 19th century never even visited Sicily).

    So governement had been mainly theoretical. Up to the 19th century the economic agrarian power was in the hands of a handful of landowner aristocracts. it was a parasitical society, And there was no indipendent and dynamic bourgeoise or middle class. and no political thought (rebellions or uprisings were mainly for fiscal reasons and if a foreign governement was overthrown was only to preserve the status quo and install a new foreign one)

    So the reason why Italian organised crime has become so famous is because of their ability to deal directly with the Italian governement (as a state within the state..and you can imagine the tragic results of this when dealing with political election or the devolution of public money)
    Also, more folkloristically this is reflected in the Feudal organization of its's structure and the elaborate rituals. Which are both aristocratic and paesant.

    The ''Godfather'' and ''Soprano's" series simply tell the story of the monarchs of this pyramid within USA.


    On the origins of Mafia there are several thesis. But they are not important : all cultures produces their own form of organised crime. what is important is that S Italy and Sicily in particular have been Feudal up to the mid 19th century and have always lacked and in part still do now, of the presence of the State
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorintoMarchialla View Post
    I'm no expert in Mafia but I know that some historians dated it back when the spanish crown ruled the southern parts of the peninsula,it is true that many "mafias" do exist but the most famous all around the world (sad to say it) is from Sicily.
    Another invention, I think from Gaetano Mosca (good surname, if his last was "Cojonera".)
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