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    Quote Originally Posted by Karhunkynsi View Post
    Mongols completely destroyed the Kievan Rus'. When Muscovy was established the Kievan Rus' period was allready history. Mongols were the overlords. Without Mongols no Muscovy.

    I do not have good opportunities to answer you because I do not know English.
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    By the time of the Mongol invasion, Russia was feudal and fragmented. This happened after the death of Vsevolod the Big Nest. Sons divided the land. The largest principality - Gardarica (For you Novgorod, Russia), Vladimir-Suzdal, Galicia-Volyn and Kyiv.
    The Mongols conquered all of Russia is not. Novgorod and the north-western area remained free.
    The princes that were occupied, the Mongols were obliged Plyatov tribute and deliver the war, but they were abandoned by the right to self-government. After some time, began the rise of Pskov (Pleskov). And as Vladimir-Suzdal and Moscow as the capital. Kiev was losing its value. Later in Moscow from Vladimir was moved throne Metropolitan.

    Appointment of the Mongols began the great princes: they were given a shortcut on the management and collection of tribute. It is something just over, and taxiing, reporting to the Horde. But the state formed the Grand Prince.

    Muscovite princes were able to win the grand reign of Vladimir, the label on which gave khans of the Golden Horde. Grand Duke Vladimir spoke collector of tribute, and the supreme ruler within the North-Eastern Russia. Since 1363 the label was presented to the princes of Moscow's usually at home. Meanwhile, the weakening of the Golden Horde led to its disintegration in the middle of XV century in the Crimea, Astrakhan, Kazan and Siberian Khanate.

    When Ivan III, Moscow ceased to pay tribute to the Horde: During "standing on the Ugra" in 1480 in Moscow and Horde forces, Ahmad Khan decided not to battle and retreated, after which he was soon killed by the Siberian Khan district. So was the Horde yoke. Prince Vasili III continued the unification of Russian lands, waged wars with Lithuania and Kazan.

    Under Ivan IV the Terrible, first took the title of king (in 1547), the Moscow state were included Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberian Khanate. Boyars of landowners (land owners) have become the landlords (the holders of estates - wore it to atory, they are obliged to perform military service), and merged in its status with the estate of serving people. The state has committed itself to picking up all the Russian lands lost as a result of the Mongol-Tatar yoke and the Polish-Lithuanian expansion, as well as protect its southern borders from the incursions of steppe nomads.

    Tsar Peter I had a radical change in domestic and foreign policy of the state. As a result of the Great Northern War 1700-1721 years was defeated by a strong Swedish army and were returned to the Russian lands captured by Sweden at the end of the XVI century. At the mouth of the Neva was built by the port city of St. Petersburg, where in 1712 the capital was transferred to Russia.

    The reforms of Peter I led to the modernization of the army, the state apparatus, and education. Russia has established an absolute monarchy, headed by the emperor, who obey even the Church (through the Chief Procurator of the Holy Synod). Nobility lost its independence and became the remnants of nobility. After the death of Peter I the era of palace coups, characterized aristocratic oligarchy and the frequent changes of emperors.


    The Russian Empire in 1866, and its zone vliyaniyaPri Empress Elizabeth power in Russia become stabilized. Was founded by Moscow University. Russian army successfully fought against Prussia in the Seven Years' War (1756-1763).

    Under Empress Catherine the Great, Russia has successfully fought against Turkey in the Black Sea, there were paper money (banknotes), Russia has lodged a lot of foreigners who began the development of America. Finally joined the land of modern Ukraine and Belarus as a result of partition of the Commonwealth.

    In 1796 Catherine II dies and ascends to the throne of Paul I. Reign, he began breaking the orders of Catherine's reign. Paul has established a new order of succession, which prevented women from entering the throne. In the aristocratic circles of growing discontent with his policies, which led in 1801 to his assassination.

    At the end of XVIII century Russia entered the CoAlitsiyu against revolutionary France, and participated in the Napoleonic Wars. After the defeat of the Allies in World War II started in Europe in 1812. Despite the capture of Napoleon in Moscow, the war ended with the defeat of his half-million army. In 1813 Russian forces liberated Germany from French occupation, and in 1814 won Paris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    By the time of the Mongol invasion, Russia was feudal and fragmented.
    How can something that had never existed as unity be fragmented ? Feudal it certainly was and as such not united. There was no Russia that could be fragmented as there was no Russia. Russia is what came out from Muscovy's expansion.

    The Mongols conquered all of Russia is not. Novgorod and the north-western area remained free.
    Indeed. Novgorod Republic was not directly under Mongol rule, they did pay 'tax' to Mongols tho'. All other small, feudal principalities were under direct Mongol rule. Including Vladimir-Suzdal. Supreme ruler was Batu Khan of Golden Horde.

    And as Vladimir-Suzdal and Moscow as the capital.
    Yes, when Mongols destroyed Kiev and occupied most of the small, feudal principalities the Mosvow (city) did not exist, or if it did it ws small trading outpost of Finno-Ugric Merya-people. Supreme ruler of Vladimir-Suzdal was Mongol Khan of Golden Horde.

    These supreme rulers used minions to rule for them (this system is known as 'yarlyk'). Batu Khan's son, Sartaq Khan placed his blood brother, Alexander Nevsky, to the throne of Vladimir-Suzdal. Sartaq Khan was the supreme ruler and his right hand at Vladimir-Suzdal was Alexander Nevsky. Muscovy obviously did not exist yet at this point.

    Muscovy can be said to begun with the prince of Moscow (more like mayor really) Yuriy Danilovich was able to convince the supreme ruler of all Gorden Horde, Uzbek Khan, to make him the subruler of Vladimir-Suzdal.

    Uzbek Khan approved and even let Yuriy to marry one of his sisters. Then Yuriy went with massive army of Turko-Mongols to Vladimir-Suzdal and Tver and made himself the ruler there. His right to rule came from the Mongol Khan and his force was in the troops of Mongol Khan.

    What you are trying to say that these little, petty vassals or "provincial governours' are somehow important figures while the actual supreme rulers of ALL Golden Horde were not. Get real. No Muscovy without Mongols. Sometimes these 'governours' were a tad bit too independent and then they were punished. Tokhtamysh Khan burned down Moscov (city) as punishment as did Khan Edigei hundred years later.

    Distant decendant of both of these Khans, Sain Bulat (Simeon Beklubatovich) became the Tsar for brief time. Sain Bulat commanded the Muscovite army against Sweden at Livonian War. Muscovite army was heavily Tartar in composition.

    Tartar princes became part of Tsar's council during and after the Ivan IV's reign.

    Cut the crap. No Mongols, No Muscovy, No Muscovy, No Russia.


    Appointment of the Mongols began the great princes: they were given a shortcut on the management and collection of tribute. It is something just over, and taxiing, reporting to the Horde. But the state formed the Grand Prince.
    Oookay.. taxation systems was for the Mongols, tribute was for the Mongols, they reported to Mongols.. Yep, sounds like part of dominion of the Mongol Khan.

    Grand Duke Vladimir spoke collector of tribute, and the supreme ruler within the North-Eastern Russia............
    ....Was Mongol Khan.

    Prince Vasili III continued the unification of Russian lands, waged wars with Lithuania and Kazan.
    Too bad he couldnt 'collect' Lithuania, Sweden, Poland etc.

    Only those small lands were collected which are now part of Russia. Other lands were not collected

    Under Ivan IV the Terrible, first took the title of king (in 1547), the Moscow state were included Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberian Khanate.
    Yes, he started the 'collecting' of former Golden Horde / Kipchac lands into Muscovite-state. Ivan IV's army was heavily made out of Tartars. Many of his 'house princes' were Tartars.

    Rest of your post has nothing to do with Mongols establishing Muscovy = Russia.
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    It's all garbage.
    You talk about something shitty. Of course, it is believed that Russia was founded Germans (Rurik), but this garbage I've ever seen. This podchti the same as the view of Ukrainian scientists that all Europeans are descended from the Ukrainians.
    What one can say if the reference nordida you classify as Noric + CM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    It's all garbage.
    It's all good. Does it hurt in your Nordic Russian soul ?

    it is believed that Russia was founded Germans (Rurik),
    No it is not. Rurik's domain was small trading town of Old Ladoga near southeast shore of Lake Ladoga. He was long dead before even city was Novgorod established. Rurik's domain at what is now NW Russia was obviously overhelmingly Finnic, and not Turko-Slavic Russian.

    Muscovy = Russia.

    but this garbage I've ever seen.
    Wellcome to year 2011! Karamzin died allmost 200 years ago.

    This podchti the same as the view of Ukrainian scientists that all Europeans are descended from the Ukrainians.
    Ukes are similar bullshitters as Russians. I've never believed anything they write about history.

    What one can say if the reference nordida you classify as Noric + CM.
    Stop posting Dinarics if you dont want them to be classified as Dinarics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karhunkynsi View Post
    It's all good. Does it hurt in your Nordic Russian soul ?



    No it is not. Rurik's domain was small trading town of Old Ladoga near southeast shore of Lake Ladoga. He was long dead before even city was Novgorod established. Rurik's domain at what is now NW Russia was obviously overhelmingly Finnic, and not Turko-Slavic Russian.

    Muscovy = Russia.



    Wellcome to year 2011! Karamzin died allmost 200 years ago.



    Ukes are similar bullshitters as Russians. I've never believed anything they write about history.



    Stop posting Dinarics if you dont want them to be classified as Dinarics.

    What do you know about Sineus and Truvor? But the capture of Kiev by Oleg and Igor? All of these were territoii Rurik. And Olga has introduced elderly.
    Moscow= Russian only under Ivan Kalita 3.
    In the man whom I have placed - blue eyes, blond vlosy and light skin tone (№ 2 Bunak). It can not be dinar. You are not even a single Dinaric hell did not name him. He has a straight nose leptorin. Dolichocephaly, high skull and round neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den View Post
    What do you know about Sineus and Truvor?
    Fantasy literature mainly. Sineus was the chieftain of Vepsians (at Valged'ärv, or Belo ozero in Russian) and Truvor was chieftain of the Chud', at Irbosk.

    Rus' lived at Ladoga and were sort of proto-Karelians.

    Anyhow, I doubt the 2 brothers even ever existed.

    But the capture of Kiev by Oleg and Igor? All of these were territoii Rurik. And Olga has introduced elderly.
    Rurik was allready dead when Oleg captured Kiev. Besides, so what ?

    Most of what is now Ukraine was part of Khazarian (Turkic Jews) domain back then.

    Moscow= Russian only under Ivan Kalita 3.
    No, Grand Duchy of Muscovy = Russia. GDOM was vassal of Golden Horde from day 1.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow

    The Grand Duchy of Moscow (Russian: Великое Княжество Московское, Velikoye Knyazhestvo Moskovskoye) was a medieval Russian polity centered on Moscow between 1283 and Ivan IV's assumption of the title of Tsar in 1547 together with the proclamation of Tsardom of Russia (Царство Русское). The Grand Duchy of Moscow has been referred to by many Western sources as Muscovy. However, this term is also sometimes applied to the Tsardom of Russia. The Grand Duchy of Moscow was the successor to the principality of Vladimir-Suzdal.
    The first ruler of the principality of Moscow, Daniel I (d. 1303), was the youngest son of Alexander Nevsky of Vladimir-Suzdal.
    Alxander Nevsky got his 'yarlyk' from Mongol Khan, as did Daniel I.

    He started to expand his principality by seizing Kolomna and securing the bequest of Pereslavl-Zalessky to his family. Daniel's son Yuriy (also known as Georgiy) controlled the entire basin of the Moskva River and expanded westward by capturing Mozhaisk. He then forged an alliance with the overlord of the Russian principalities, Uzbeg Khan of the Golden Horde, and married the khan's sister. He was allowed by the khan to claim the title of Grand Duke of Vladimir-Suzdal, a position which allowed him to interfere into the affairs of the Novgorod Republic to the north-west.
    Novgorod was not part of Russia until Muscovy destroyed it and annexed the Novgorod Land.

    Yuriy's successor, Ivan I (r. 1325–40), managed to retain the title of Grand Duke by cooperating closely with the Mongols and collecting tribute and taxes from other Russian principalities on their behalf. This relationship enabled Ivan to gain regional ascendancy, particularly over Moscow's chief rival, the northern city of Tver, which rebelled against the Horde in 1327. The uprising was subdued by the joint forces of Mongols and Muscovites. Ivan was reputed to be the richest person in Russia, as his moniker "Kalita" (literally, the "moneybag")
    Ivan Kalita and Muscovy in general was enforcer/thug/extortionist of Mongol Khan/Golden Horde. Mongol troops were also allways present as they formed the powerdome where the Muscovites got their power to oppress small, feudal principalities to pay the tax and submit to Mongol will.

    When Muscovy finally had all of those small feudal principalities (and rich Novgorod) under their boot their domain become Russia. Then it became Russian Empire. Then Soviet Union and finally Russian Federation. Tartars were part of this from day 1.

    HTH.

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    я восхищаюсь русскими.

    они воинственный народ

    будущее белой расы находится в россии

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwards Aguiar View Post
    я восхищаюсь русскими.

    они воинственный народ

    будущее белой расы находится в россии

    хайль гитлер!

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    I admire the literature and the arts of 19th century Russia; it was perhaps one of the most productive and creative periods in Russian history. My favorite author of that period is Dostoevsky. And they had that period of creativity not a century too soon considering the Russia of the 20th century; maybe they sensed it coming and decided to pour out that creative energy before soviet totalitarianism stultified their creative spirit for most of the 20th century. BTW the art posted on the 1st page is crap compared to some of the beautiful paintings produced in 19th century Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voron View Post
    Den you are in the wrong forum and your thread is embarrassing. Be kind and fuck off.
    But he was right about Snowelf, wasn't he?
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