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  • Northern Europe

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    9 6.82%
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    38 28.79%
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    37 28.03%
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    The homeland was somewhere in between the Pontic-Caspian steppe, I believe.

    My motivation: Since the chariot is strongly associated with the Andronovo-culture( early indo-iranians), I believe that the indo-europeans was then spread out in different direction by using the chariot in warlike context.
    Besides, the terrain is very suitable for the chariot.

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    I believe when indo- europeans spread the world was much warmer then now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Genetics will solve the mystery over the next year or so, and the breakdown of R1a1a (xM458) will be one of the key elements.

    Right now it's already looking like a large swath of land including parts of North, Central and Eastern Europe was the proto-Indo-European homeland. Indeed, that's what modern anthropologists like Kozintsev believe.
    Isn't the R1a1a very old to be associated with the indo-europeans migration?
    And how much will we know about the Urheimat hypotheses in the nearest future, archeology combined with genetics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SGT.O View Post
    Isn't the R1a1a very old to be associated with the indo-europeans migration?
    And how much will we know about the Urheimat hypotheses in the nearest future, archeology combined with genetics?
    Certain clades of R1a1 were very heavily involved in the early Indo-European migrations, because they dominate the early North-Central Europid Indo-Iranian and Scythian skeletal samples, and today are found in high frequencies in Central and Eastern Europe. The're certainly some sort of R1a1a (xM458), it's just a matter of identifying them with SNPs.

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    I remember Gimbutas saying that archaeology was going to give the final answer, and yet it hasn't given any answer...so I do not share peoples enthusiasm about genetics giving the final answer, since I'm very sceptical by nature...however I think it will give much better arguments and data than linguistics (ironically since IE is a linguistic phenomenon). The most useless method must be mythology and other fantasies.

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    Indo-Europeans are associated with the Kurgan makers of 4,000 B.C. Kurgans appear roughly at the same time of Indo-European dispersion, 4,000 B.C is when the first Kurgans are being constructed.
    Kurgans are seen in modern Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Russia and even some even can be found in the south Caucasus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sevastopol View Post
    These are the true Indo-Europeans. Blondes:

    ^BTW people that was a joke.
    Last edited by Sevastopol; 2010-01-07 at 12:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevastopol View Post
    Indo-Europeans are associated with the Kurgan makers of 4,000 B.C. Kurgans appear roughly at the same time of Indo-European dispersion, 4,000 B.C is when the first Kurgans are being constructed.
    Kurgans are seen in modern Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Russia and even some even can be found in the south Caucasus.
    No, not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    No, not really.
    Believe it Indo-Europeans were pastoralists, They led thier livestock constantly to different grass fields, hate to reveal it to you, but Poland dosn't have grass suitable for the Scythian pastoralist lifestyle. And 5,000 years ago, Poland was even less suitable for pastoralism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Decimator View Post
    I support the Kurgan Hypothesis:

    Overall, I agree with the Kurgan Hypothesis, although I dissagree on the location (north Caucasus).

    All genetic and lingual maps seem to show that the homeland was between the Carpathians and Dnepr River.

    We know where the Indo-European location is. However we don't know if Blondsim is associated with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevastopol View Post
    Kurgans appear roughly at the same time of Indo-European dispersion, 4,000 B.C is when the first Kurgans are being constructed.
    No one knows when Indo-European dispersion began, we just know that we have documented IE languages in various places in Eurasia by the Bronze Age, but that does not tell us anything of when PIE started to disperse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azvarohi View Post
    No one knows when Indo-European dispersion began, we just know that we have documented IE languages in various places in Eurasia by the Bronze Age, but that does not tell us anything of when PIE started to disperse.
    We don't know the exact date, but we know the rough time frame from carbon dating of Kurgans and such. Most likely it's 4,000 B.C. Give or take a couple thousand years


    Anyways...



    This might be off topic a bit,

    But does anyone know if the IE's were blonde or not? I mean the proposed locations of the urheimat is located in areas where blondes aren't found in numerous amounts.


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