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    My Y-dna is R1a1 and my subclade is YP1272 Which is very rare in my country and in the world so I'm like the last of Mohicans

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    R-U152, which I would be immensely grateful if someone would give me more info about, since the standard "Muh migraytion" claptrap of 23andMe doesn't cut it for me. Excuse my genetical illiteracy.

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    Originally Q1a3a, now it's called Q-M3.

    How can I find out the subclade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_garcia49 View Post
    Originally Q1a3a, now it's called Q-M3.

    How can I find out the subclade?
    what you have here are two different naming standards. for example my Y-DNA is E-V13 (V13 is the name of the mutation) and ISOGG says its E1b1b1a1b1a, it's exactly the same thing.

    To know your deep subclade the best company is FTDNA, I advice you doing Y37 and then buying BIGY, its a bit expensive but its the way you get to test thousands of mutations.

    https://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpQ.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    R-U152, which I would be immensely grateful if someone would give me more info about, since the standard "Muh migraytion" claptrap of 23andMe doesn't cut it for me. Excuse my genetical illiteracy.
    R1b-U152 (AKA S28 or PF6570) is a sub-branch of Z11 (which also yielded DF27, the most common R1b clade in Iberia), itself a branch of P312. This marker peaks in Northern Italy (Lombardy, Piedmont, Liguria, Emilia-Romagna and Tuscany), Northern Switzerland, Southern Germany, Southern and Eastern France, there are also noticeable hotspots in Alentejo, Vendée and East Anglia (which is congruent with the presence of the Celtici, Pictones and Iceni respectively). Here are a few maps:







    As far as ancient DNA goes, R1b-U152 has been found in 5 ancient samples from the Bell Beaker culture, the most ancient is I2365, this individual lived near modern-day Budapest some 4,500 years ago. We have another U152 sample (who was L2+) from SE France, this individual also lived some 4,500 yBP. The three other samples all hail from what is now SE Germany (Bavaria), all date to the second half of the 3rd millennium BCE. The dates feat rather neatly with R1b-U152's TMRCA estimates (4500 ybp according to YFull). One of the individuals (from Quedlinburg IIRC) was pretty similar to some of the Corded Ware samples we've seen. The above suggests an association with the Central and Eastern parts of the Bell Beaker horizon:



    R1b-U152 is unlikely to have spread throughout Western Europe with the earliest Bell Beaker waves, which seem to have been rich in R1b-L21 and R1b-DF27 for the most part. The Urnfield horizon and its derivatives might well prove to be more convincing cultural correlates:



    The problem however is that the Urnfield culture practiced cremation, this is a serious obstacle when it comes to uncovering the Urnfield culture's genetic makeup. Nevertheless, R1b-U152 seems to be genuinely linked to the Proto-Italo-Celtic speech community, while the rest of P312's branches seem to have spread with Para-Italo-Celtic languages such as Ligurian and Lusitanian for the most part, similar languages probably spread with the initial Indo-Europeanisation of Western Europe spearheaded by the first Bell Beaker migrants, the predominance of Celtic is probably due to a language levelling process which took root thanks both to Common Celtic's similarity to the aforementioned Para-Italo-Celtic languages as well as to the early Celts' lifestyle which seems to have been conducive to language levelling. So I'd expect a lot of U152 in human remains from the Canegrate, Golasecca, Hallstatt and La Tène cultures. You can also expect R1b-U152 (probably Z56+) to make its appearance in remains from the Proto-Villanova culture, which is to be associated with the earliest Italic speakers in the Italian peninsula IMO.

    While this is an educated guess from my part, keep in mind that U152 is a descendant of P312, itself a branch of L51, and I have little doubt that L51 will show up on the Eneolithic steppe in the near future (probably in Sredny Stog), so no matter how you look at it this marker is extremely likely to be linked to the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Those Bronze Age samples are just red herrings to distract you from the actual arrivals of populations with Semitic ancestry. Don’t take the bait by focusing on the wrong samples, lol. He is passing off Bronze Age Levantines with no evidence of strong predynastic input, as “Semites“. This way, he can flip it around and say Proto-Semitic speakers and predynastics were more or less identical to the Bronze Age Levantines sampled so far.

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    I'm E1a1 (E-M44) cuz I'm a descendant of da Black Proto-Semitic Kangz! If you dunnot believe me, just ask our friends @NonFingo and @Itoli .

    EDIT: @Semitic Duwa could tell you as much.
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    I never had my Y-DNA tested directly. But I used my AncestryDNA raw data, not the best source, to predict my most probable Y-DNA via Promethease, MorleyDNA, and Wegenes. MorleyDNA uses a way outdated ISOGG Y-tree and it ostensibly disagrees with Promethease and Wegenes. So I am going to go with Promethease and Wegenes for now :

    Promethease R1b1a1a2a1a2c M529,L21;S145 which is not that deep on the subclade

    wegenes R1b1a1a2a1a2c1f3a1 : R1b1a1a2a1a2c1 A228, BY247, L192.1, S471/Z252
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    This delusional jew is still pissy his Y-DNA is African i see. Sounds like a personal problem- a personal problem which him fantasizing about humans originating in America didn't fix. Sad case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    I'm E1a1 (E-M44) cuz I'm a descendant of da Black Proto-Semitic Kangz! If you dunnot believe me, just ask our friends @NonFingo and @Itoli .

    EDIT: @Semitic Duwa could tell you as much.
    What's up with this weird behaviour? You're going M.I.A. in the thread where you're supposed to respond to what got your panties in a bunch, and instead you baiting me here with petty conversational one-upmanship.
    I don't do banter. I do evidence. You trolls do 95% banter and small talk and 5% evidence.

    Let's face it. You're a bantamweight when it comes to population genetics. You're forced to cheerlead from the sidelines while others debate. That's why you resort to conversational one-upmanship and random baiting.

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    ^^LMAO


    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Those Bronze Age samples are just red herrings to distract you from the actual arrivals of populations with Semitic ancestry. Don’t take the bait by focusing on the wrong samples, lol. He is passing off Bronze Age Levantines with no evidence of strong predynastic input, as “Semites“. This way, he can flip it around and say Proto-Semitic speakers and predynastics were more or less identical to the Bronze Age Levantines sampled so far.

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