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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    Remember I told you I read the book "Indigenous Peoples of the Caribbean" before. I don't remember if this is mentioned in that book, but I think it's a good reference and you should try to read it to see if you find anything out. It's quite difficult finding books on Indigenous peoples of the Caribbean.
    http://www.amazon.com/Indigenous-Car.../dp/0813016924
    Is Puerto Rico included on this book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    What Indians? DR is not Trinidad nor Guyana. Not seeing any Indians there.
    He meant the Ciboney, Macorix and Guanahatabey. The latter's last refuge on this island, before being wiped out by the Taino, would be the system of caves that the Taino would call "Guacayarima", which are located in Haiti's southwesternmost peninsula. The name means literally "The island's ass".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemba View Post
    So i have very very convincing proof that my Father descends from some Yucatan slaves who came from north and coastal mexico into D.R in the 1600s or 1700s i will find the definitive date soon.
    The Spanish priest Cipriano de Utrera mentions them on his book "La polémica de Enriquillo", sustaining, with documents directly from the Archivo de Indias of Seville, that they were rescued from the clutches of French Buccaneers, the latter having initially hijacked them during a raid on Campeche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jibarodepr View Post
    Is Puerto Rico included on this book?
    I believe so, it is a pretty well covered island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    I believe so, it is a pretty well covered island.
    I aks it because there are some who speak about the caribbean, putting all islands excluding Puerto Rico, and that boils me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    He meant the Ciboney, Macorix and Guanahatabey. The latter's last refuge on this island, before being wiped out by the Taino, would be the system of caves that the Taino would call "Guacayarima", which are located in Haiti's southwesternmost peninsula. The name means literally "The island's ass".

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    I know, I was just questioning the wording because I believe the word Indian should be reserved only for ppl from that country. I'm not stealing the India people's identity! We had our own identities before Colon got here to the Americas and thought he reached India. Misidentifying us really bad. Cause of his mistake we are still referring to our Indigenous ancestors as "Indian".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    I know, I was just questioning the wording because I believe the word Indian should be reserved only for ppl from that country. I'm not stealing the India people's identity! We had our own identities before Colon got here to the Americas and thought he reached India. Misidentifying us really bad. Cause of his mistake we are still referring to our Indigenous ancestors as "Indian".
    I get you, and it's even more erroneous when NA peoples are far from being an homogeneous lot, specially during those times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    Remember I told you I read the book "Indigenous Peoples of the Caribbean" before. I don't remember if this is mentioned in that book, but I think it's a good reference and you should try to read it to see if you find anything out. It's quite difficult finding books on Indigenous peoples of the Caribbean.
    http://www.amazon.com/Indigenous-Car.../dp/0813016924
    I think it's all a matter of notoriety. Why study a group of people that were barely above the Tool Age, when you have the more interesting Aztec, Maya or Incaic groups out there?

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    And I still don't understand how Columbus could mistake them for South Asian Indians, come one, they don't look even alike or dress like the Natives did or spoken like the Natives did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    I get you, and it's even more erroneous when NA peoples are far from being an homogeneous lot, specially during those times.
    Yeap. I also believe PRs, Dominicans should look into more than just the Taino/a ancestry as those were the last Indigenous peoples to arrive in those islands. You can be a Dominican of Indigenous ancestry and it can be non-Taino. I feel like the Taino get over represented in PR/DR. In South America this doesn't really happen, as there are still so many groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    Yeap. I also believe PRs, Dominicans should look into more than just the Taino/a ancestry as those were the last Indigenous peoples to arrive in those islands. You can be a Dominican of Indigenous ancestry and it can be non-Taino. I feel like the Taino get over represented in PR/DR. In South America this doesn't really happen, as there are still so many groups.
    A way to know taino ancestry is by family tradition and food, in my family we use to sleep in hammocks and ate yucca and yautia and marota(maize), I don't think other Indians ate thse foods(perhaps caribs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    Yeap. I also believe PRs, Dominicans should look into more than just the Taino/a ancestry as those were the last Indigenous peoples to arrive in those islands. You can be a Dominican of Indigenous ancestry and it can be non-Taino. I feel like the Taino get over represented in PR/DR. In South America this doesn't really happen, as there are still so many groups.
    Thing is, even though they were latecomers, the Taino would be the most advanced group to ever set foot on the Greater Antilles, cuz' the other groups, specially the mainly Cuban based Guanahatabey, were barely above cavemen level.

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