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    The well-known yDna project led by Russian enthusiast have done remarkable work in classifying N1c1 samples. More and more SNP based classification results are now available, so we have soon also better understanding about old migrations. Finnish N1c1 seem to split at least into two subclades depending on the mutation named by FtDNa as L550. Here is the last project report and STR-analyses from FtDna's Finnish yDna project. All comments are welcome!
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    Last edited by Lemminkäinen; 2011-07-08 at 14:14.
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    Three simple facts about Finns:
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    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    Before we comment, would you care to give a quick wrap up on the two subclades ages, internal relation, distribution and possible migration routes?
    Euroaboriginal - tested and classified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motörhead Remember Me View Post
    Before we comment, would you care to give a quick wrap up on the two subclades ages, internal relation, distribution and possible migration routes?
    If I could know all those things, I would own more secret information than Freemasons
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    Three simple facts about Finns:
    1. Baltic Finnic languages (including Finnish) never came from the Volga basin along with ancestors of present-day Finns.
    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    I posted this in another thread:

    The L550+ mutation has been found in people who trace their ancestry to, for example, Germany, Baltia, Russia, Romania, and Denmark. It has also been found in two Finns whose oldest known patrilineal ancestors bore foreign names. In contrast, three Finns who have ancestors with Finnish names have tested negative for the SNP.

    The age of the L550+ mutation seems to be about 4.000 to 4.500 years.

    Futhermore, two more SNPs--L149.2 and L551--characterize the Gediminid type found to be carried by the descendants of the medieval Polish-Lithuanian royal family. These must be much younger mutations.

    ISOGG have updated their Y-DNA haplogroup tree and added the subclade N1c1d for people with L550+, and N1c1d1 for those with L149.2+ and L551+.

    http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpN.html


    ---------- Post added 2011-07-14 at 17:58 ----------

    Also, it does look like DYS459 values would separate the Russian-Finnish-Scandiavian branch from the Scandinavian II and South Baltic branches. The people who have tested positive for L550 so far carry 9-9 for DYS459.
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    I dont think that this mentioning about split between Finnish - foreign names is valid. Do you know who is Parmala?
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    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    I dont think that this mentioning about split between Finnish - foreign names is valid.
    It looks like it is not valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    I dont think that this mentioning about split between Finnish - foreign names is valid. Do you know who is Parmala?
    Yes, I do know who that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aino View Post

    Yes, I do know who that is.
    I had a workmate, name Parma. I wondered if she has married an Italian boy, but no, her husband was Tavastian
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    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

    Väinämöinen - R1a
    Lemminkäinen - I1
    Joukahainen - N

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    Parmas means a certain amount of hay.
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    We have now following sure national results in the Varangian subclade (L550+ Scandinavian)

    Finns 11 samples
    Scandinavians 9 samples
    Russians 5 samples
    Baltic countries 3 samples

    Finns are going to take the leadership of Varangian Guard

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ion=ycolorized
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    Three simple facts about Finns:
    1. Baltic Finnic languages (including Finnish) never came from the Volga basin along with ancestors of present-day Finns.
    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    I had a workmate, name Parma. I wondered if she has married an Italian boy, but no, her husband was Tavastian
    I have Tavastian ancestry on my Finnish side, interestingly my half-uncle mysteriously shares a 16cM segment with a half Italian - half Pole. Italian settlers in Tavastia?

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