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    I received some constructive but very important criticism regarding ABF:

    Thank you again for the offer; I seriously considered joining the forum before and have read through quite a few of the threads. With all due respect, I don't feel I'll be able to engage in any serious and unbiased discussions regarding DNA and the like over there. For the record, I consider myself to be on the Centre-Right of the political spectrum, and am what most people would describe as a "race realist", so my hesitance doesn't come from any clash in mentality or idealogy.

    I think you and the administration have done a fine job in maintaining a balance between free speech and the various topics of interest, but certain aspects of the community prevent me from joining.

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    I am aware that the "aspects" I mentioned previously might be specific to me only; however, as someone who's keen on history, archaeology, genetics and linguistics, I imagine the qualms I have also probably apply to a broad spectrum of users.

    My intention, as an enthusiastic amateur in the fields I listed above, is to learn. After skimming through many threads on ABF, I've found that a disproportionate number of posts were infused with highly opinionated comments, especially those pertaining to highly charged topics, including the concept of a "white" race, "Aryans" and so forth. I am not an advocate of censorship, but plenty of the posts made on such topics are low-brow in nature and (regardless of whether many are anthropology inside jokes or not) gives the forum a rather hostile facade. This would undoubtedly deter the more "wary" visitors who're more interested in actively discussing racial realism and topics deemed to be controversial in real life, yet they're confronted instead with jibes against Indians, Poles, Gypsies and whoever else.

    With the above in mind, I just don't think I'll learn much in a forum where much (if not most) of the posted material is highly subjective. If the administration would like to see the forum cater towards more scientifically-oriented users, then my only recommendation would be to enforce the rules more stringently. I have been following the site recently, and to be frank with you, seeing Indian nationalists putting each other down, East Europeans already proclaiming their territory as the Indo-European Urheimat and everyone taking regular stabs at a man who clearly needs help (Inquiring Mind) is off-putting.

    Despite the above, I appreciate your recommendations and may create an account in the near future, especially if the above are rectified.
    We don't have to get into details about who sent me this criticism, but suffice to say, I agree with his criticism.

    When ayepod bequeathed Anthroforum to me, he did it on one condition: I promised him that I would take the AF community and turn it into a serious highbrow forum. And I intend to keep this promise, because I'm a man of my word.

    But there's also another side to it: I pay money for the servers hosting this website/forum, and it's not cheap. I'm investing money, time and effort on maintaining this forum, and I would at the very least, like some quality discussions to come out of it, otherwise I have no interest in wasting all this time and money taking care of a forum that only yields lowbrow discussions. We already have a lowbrow section here, and that's Mordor. The other sections are highbrow and stupid bullshit trolling is not tolerated in those sections.

    That said, here's the deal: starting from today, I will raise the bar as far as quality posts are concerned on this forum. The QBQ policy will be more rigorously enforced on lowbrow members:

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=581

    And the rules:

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=72

    Should be followed to the best of your ability. The most important rules you should try to follow are 1.1.2, 1.1.3 and 1.2.1. If you can follow these three rules and the QBQ policy, you will most likely be fine and never have to worry about getting banned or suspended.

    I will ban anyone and everyone who isn't capable of putting forth some quality discussions. I don't care about how popular or unpopular you are, whatever opinion (political, religious, racial) you hold or whatever your ethnoreligious background is. All I care about is your ability to discuss seriously on the forum, with a quality input in your posts. This includes everything from spelling/grammar errors to providing academic sources and other stuff.

    Why am I being strict on this? Well, several reasons. The most important reason is because I want a quality forum, and I'm sure you guys want one too. No one wants to spend time on a lowbrow forum which only amounts to useless discussions. I understand not everyone is born with a rocket scientist PhD, and I'm not demanding of you to be population geneticists, but please, try to do some serious research on the topics you want to discuss before you create a thread, so that you know what you're talking about and can argue your points better.

    Moderators are encouraged to delete useless one-liner shitty jokes posts, and posts that only contain a smiley or a "lol", anti-intellectual chat posts like that with no importance or relevance. Of course, it goes without saying, not every post you write on ABF must be some Harvard/Princeton A+ essay, but try to put some thought of your own and quality into your posts, not only for your sake, but also in order to stimulate other members to read and discuss your posts.

    I'm also seriously considering removing the ability to post messages on visitor profiles, simply cut down on all the socialising aspects of ABF and turn it into a hardcore highbrow serious raw discussion only forum. You are free to discuss in this thread what you think, and give me some constructive criticism what you feel ought to be done and what's wrong. I'm open for feedback.

    I want to make ABF a forum that is attractive for the dogmatically politically correct crowd, radical European nationalists, Zionists, radical Muslims, Black Panthers, Japanese nationalists, and everything in between, but more importantly: I want these members to be intellectual and capable of erudite discussions, and not afraid of free speech.
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    If anthrocivitas collapses, you'll seriously need to enforce the highbrow regulations to water down the flood of trolls (read troll as people not really interested in Anthropological discussion)

    Anyway, some of my last posts haven't been really that highbrow, I hope I won't get banned.
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    I will take a guess and say that is was probably Ag....a that posted that response.

    I agree that this forum should have more highbrow threads. I always find myself posting in DNA forums about 23andme and deCODEme stuff because no body wants to or knows how to discuss simple concepts about genetics apart from a select few people on this forum and I think we all know who they are.

    Strangely enough I keep coming back to this forum because it is potentially a very good forum that covers a lot of territory and is not ethnically exclusive. There's my 2 cents worth!
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    I think people need to post sourced data if they want to argue anything scientific. If they don't, that's trolling and their posts should be moved to some sort of a fiction forum.

    It's really difficult to discuss anything in a civil manner if the opposing party is only able to counter sourced data from scientific journals with their own misguided opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    I'm also seriously considering removing the ability to post messages on visitor profiles, simply cut down on all the socialising aspects of ABF and turn it into a hardcore highbrow serious raw discussion forum.
    I find it radical, in international high brow fora as Science forum and DNA forums it is not censored, you are trying to inspire in few aspects of the Swedish forum Flashback.info, which is nice, but you cannot forget that their style of discussions and aspects are restricted to Sweden. Would this to work internationally? You have to look for an international arena.

    Besides, just the fact that its board advocate freedom of speech and neutrality is already an exceptional thing about the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    I think people need to post sourced data if they want to argue anything scientific. If they don't, that's trolling and their posts should be moved to some sort of a fiction forum.

    It's really difficult to discuss anything in a civil manner if the opposing party is only able to counter sourced data from scientific journals with their own misguided opinions.
    How about giving hypotheses that we aknowledge as hypotheses in order to question the result of a research or even show its flaws.
    Of course it's very theoric here. But arguing solely out of researches against research can easily get boring, especially considering there is plenty of unknown areas of knowledge that have you to be properly investigated by studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balder View Post
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    I'm also seriously considering removing the ability to post messages on visitor profiles, simply cut down on all the socialising aspects of ABF and turn it into a hardcore highbrow serious raw discussion forum.
    I find it radical, in international high brow fora as Science forum and DNA forums it is not censored, you are trying to inspire in few aspects of the Swedish forum Flashback.info, which is nice, but you cannot forget that their style of discussions and aspects are restricted to Sweden. Would this to work internationally? You have to look for an international arena.

    Besides, just the fact that its board advocate freedom of speech and neutrality is already an exceptional thing about the forum.
    How is it censorship to disable visitor profile messages? I think it's a distraction from the discussions and takes away time, important time from the actual discussions/threads. On top of that, visitor profile messages is just gossip and chatter, if members want to communicate with each other, it can be done through PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    How is it censorship to disable visitor profile messages? I think it's a distraction from the discussions and takes away time, important time from the actual discussions/threads. On top of that, visitor profile messages is just gossip and chatter, if members want to communicate with each other, it can be done through PM.
    You have a point here but this is, however, to cut a part of v.bulletin 3.8 and 4.0 aspect, where many are already accustomed to using in other fora.

    What did the Hbf and AF fail, was not only the socializing aspect but also too much chit chat discussions in the lounge as in other sections, trolls and childish feuds among the staff. You will avoid it here just being transparent with the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin
    I will ban anyone and everyone who isn't capable of putting forth some quality discussions. I don't care about how popular or unpopular you are, whatever opinion (political, religious, racial) you hold or whatever your ethnoreligious background is. All I care about is your ability to discuss seriously on the forum, with a quality input in your posts. This includes everything from spelling/grammar errors to providing academic sources and other stuff.
    I personally think you should extend the period of time people can edit posts then. I noticed an oversight (an entire missing word) that ended up being a grammar error in the Michio Kaku thread. I went to fix it when I noticed it later on and I couldn't edit it because the allowed time for editing a post had expired. A similar thing happened in the chromeOS thread (a spelling typo) although not as bad. Just a thought not a demand. I'm not telling you to do anything just making a suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    How about giving hypotheses that we aknowledge as hypotheses in order to question the result of a research or even show its flaws.
    Of course it's very theoric here. But arguing solely out of researches against research can easily get boring, especially considering there is plenty of unknown areas of knowledge that have you to be properly investigated by studies.
    It's possible to challenge and debate scientists and their conclusions. They're only human too and often get things wrong. But what I'm saying is that it has to be done for a reason, and that reason is usually solid data pointing to another conclusion. That can come from other than peer reviewed journals. For instance, there are some hobby geneticists out there challenging the mainstream, and there's nothing wrong with using their work in debates. So if it's a two way thing like that, with strong theories backed by sourced data being produced by both parties, it's no problem at all. What isn't fine is someone producing insane theories that don't make any sense on a very basic level, or someone being totally out of date with a topic and getting upset because they're out of their depth. The basic message to everyone is that you have to be able to put together a coherent argument, or just move on.

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