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    Quote Originally Posted by David Noi
    Dnieper Donets culture wasn't IE. Therefore the study is crap.
    Empty claims in two last posts, unless you can give some arguments and sources.
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    the proto indoeuropeans were from central asia and the south russian steppe.They were patriachal and had no problem to marry women from other races.So it is absolutely not surprising that they have some east asian admixture.But they still belonged to the Caucasian race and they dont looked mongolic.

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    There may have been some east asian admixture but only minor! Mongoloids had yet to even reach there en masse

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I don't think they had a Mongoloid element from day one. It could be some ancient Eurasian remnant, or it could have been some captured Mongoloid women they used as concubines. Raiding was quite common back then. This Mongoloid mtDNA could explain the slight drag Europeans have toward Mongoloids in comparison with Assyrians, but anyway, one shouldn't always get carried away by haplogroups:

    Surprisingly, the typing of a SNP associated to eye color (rs12913832) shows that at least 60% (15/25) of the Siberian specimens had blue (or green) eyes (S27 cannot be tested because bone sample and DNA extract were used up). Moreover, the pigmentation SNP analysis showed that all except three specimens exhibited a European ancestry, even when they bore an Asian mtDNA haplotype as is the case for samples S25, S26, S28, S33 and S36, demonstrating the importance of studying both maternal and paternal lineages. These results also show that two individuals carrying the same mtDNA haplotype can be classified in opposite ethnogeographic groups as is the case for samples S07 and S14: note that these two specimens belong to different paternal lineages since S07 is the single specimen carrying haplogroup C(£C3) but not haplogroup R1a1. Specimen S32 appears as having a mixed ancestry; curiously, this specimen exhibits Y-chromosome and mtDNA haplotypes virtually unknown in present-day populations. Most of the specimens seem to have been light skinned people with blond or light brown hair.

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    The western Eurasian contribution to the ancient mtDNA pool reached 90% for the Bronze Age and decreased to 67% for the Iron Age. Thus, despite a small sample size, our data suggests a temporal pattern which is in agreement with the view that west Eurasian populations predominated in the Krasnoyarsk region during the Bronze Age, whereas Asian component began to increase from the Iron Age on. This result is similar to that obtained in the ancient DNA study of Lalueza-Fox et al. (2004) who showed that all Kazakh sample specimens from before thirteenth to seventh centuries BC belonged to European lineages. After that time, there was an influx of East Asian sequences which are thought to have coexisted with the prior west Eurasian genetic substratum.

    Source: Christine Keyser et al., Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people, Human Genetics, Saturday, May 16, 2009, doi: 10.1007/s00439-009-0683-0

    It shouldn't come as a major surprise that there was some minor contact between proto-Indo-Europeans and Mongoloid tribes, especially considering how far east the Scythians and other early Indo-European tribes rode with the horse, there was bound to be some contact between Indo-European tribes and Mongoloid tribes.

    And who knows really, perhaps this Mongoloid mtDNA is simply remnants of a previous Mongoloid tribe that existed in Europe and was almost entirely wiped out, genocide style, by the newly arrived proto-Indo-European settlers. We don't know for certain. What we can say is that there was a very dominant tribal Y-DNA R1a1a group of closely related kinsmen who took over the local women of the region, because mtDNA diversity is much higher in the proto-Indo-Europeans than their Y-DNA diversity.
    Well, the Ural-Altay idea really just combined two sides of the same coin, since Uralics are the most exotic Europeans (Caucasoid POV) and Altaics are the most exotic non-Indic Asians (Mongoloid POV). This would be the ideal Urheimat, no man's land, or fault line between Indo-Europeans and Sino-Tibetans. It means that genetic drift was transmitted through the Steppe in both directions

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