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    Default Monacan Indian tribe from Virginia

    It's another one of those Lumbee/Melungeon type isolates. These people below are pred white. You can call these "White Indians".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monacan_people



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    Nice pictures, good posing also. Some of them do display amerindian features.
    Intriguing quote from the wiki article, regardless what the thruth might be concerning genuine amerindian ancestry i'd say that history is also worth exploring.


    Historians believe that most early Monacan fled from encroaching white colonial settlement, with few remaining behind. There is no conclusive evidence connecting the people who today claim to be Monacan descendants with the historical Monacan tribe.

    Some late 20th c. researchers believe that rather than seeking ties to the historic Monacan people, the contemporary group may be better characterized as one of a number of tri-racial isolate groups of multicultural ancestry, formed mostly from descendants of African Americans free during the colonial period in Virginia. With their European neighbors, such free people of color followed migration paths to where land was more affordable on the frontier in Virginia and North Carolina. These areas also gave them more freedom from racial strictures than in the plantation communities. Most of such free people of color had their origins as descendants of white women and African or African American men in the decades before the lines of slavery were hardened. They were born free because of the status of their mothers. Some had ancestors who were slaves freed as early as the mid-17th century.[7]

    In 1912 Walter Ashby Plecker became Virginia's first registrar of the Bureau of Vital Statistics. In 1942, he issued a letter ordering local offices to change the racial designations of many families (some were Monacan ancestors) without their knowledge. He was convinced that descendants of "old issue" Negroes or "free mulattoes" (persons historically free before the Civil War) may have been were trying to "pass" as Indian or white to evade segregation. He directed county officials to reclassify all individuals by surnames listed in his letter. He used his own authority to determine that certain families were "old Issue", who therefore needed to be classified as "colored" rather than Indian or white, based on his ideas as to whether they had any African ancestry. He disregarded how they self-identified, how they were accepted in their communities, and to what culture they belonged.[6] Plecker headed the office for 34 years
    Lol, his job would have been easier if he had had access to modernday DNA testing
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    They all look mixed. The usual folks who are always telling people how they are ''part'' this and that tribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oditous View Post
    Nice pictures, good posing also. Some of them do display amerindian features.
    Intriguing quote from the wiki article, regardless what the thruth might be concerning genuine amerindian ancestry i'd say that history is also worth exploring.







    Lol, his job would have been easier if he had had access to modernday DNA testing

    In regards to what you bolded, they did look clearly triracial in the older pics I've seen







    some still look triracial even today but most look white. here is a modern day one who looks more mixed



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    I've seen these types at the Seminole fair selling crafts and music.

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    These four look SSA admixed to me. It be nice to have a genomic testing done of them. It'll probally be 10% more Euro than the Lumbee sample.

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    ROLFMAO!!! Wannabes!!.


    The only one that I think he can pas as a real indian is this one:



    ---------- Post added 2011-10-18 at 13:12 ----------

    You gotta be kidding me!!!.




    Lol!!! This dude looks indigenous...... to Ireland!!!!!.....

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    ^^LOL...The first guy you posted in the most Amerindian looking one though

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    This tribe though it has recognition in the state of VA as of 1983 as a tribe is not *federally recognized.* Currently, there are no federally recognized tribes in VA. This means that the Indian Bureau of Affairs has not authenticated them as being actual descents of tribal Native American/Indigenous peoples. They could not provide proper proof to be a tribe prior to colonization with a culture, language, among other proofs.

    The people displayed in these pictures may not even be Native American or descended from a Native American ancestors for all we know. Some may be, but maybe not. We really do not know if Little Bear, Red Wing and Bright Star have actual NA ancestors. Really, I do not care. There are currently hundreds of fake tribes running about, especially posing as Cherokee. Some of these people may have NA ancestry in which they cannot prove and maybe find it best to fit in someplace.
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