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    Default Where did Siddis (India) come from

    Just wondering some say they are natives, others slaves from East Africa brought to india by Arabs

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3429/...4dbb75940a.jpg

    look quite Kikuyu looking as well...

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    They came from east africa, but todays siddis are mixed with locals aswell. Many of them came as slaves, but they also came as traders and businessmen

    I posted a video about african rulers in India which showed this

    this thread: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=23766

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    u mean sindhis?? o never mind lol
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    ^^^

    They are Afro-Indian people... They were brought to India mustly by the Arabs who inslaved them. Siddis worked their way up and built small kingdoms.


    http://opentravel.com/img/anannyadeb...an-12912_3.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...bastions_3.jpg
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    Here's a Siddi fortress.

    They were known to be fierce in battle and loyal too. Empires and kingdoms in India employed them.
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    Are you asking what tribe they are from?

    They did a genetic study on them

    Summary points:

    1 – The Siddis are relatively recent in time in their origin. Post-1500, and possibly early British.

    2 – Admixture with South Asians was more “female mediated.” That is, Indian ancestry tends toward a maternal origin, though not exclusively so.

    3) The ancestry also seems somewhat biased toward north and western South Asian sources. Shah et al. had a Karnataka sample, which is in a Dravidian speaking region (albeit, with Indo-Aryan minority populations), and they still found that in that group a North Indian ancestral population was a better fit than a South Indian one. The main caveat is that this may be due to exogenous West Asian or European ancestry against a South Indian background.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...-afro-indians/

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    They are Afro-Indian people... They were brought to India mustly by the Arabs who inslaved them. Siddis worked their way up and built small kingdoms.


    http://opentravel.com/img/anannyadeb...an-12912_3.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...bastions_3.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eRXRXJRl8A...ud-janjira.jpg

    Here's a Siddi fortress.

    They were known to be fierce in battle and loyal too. Empires and kingdoms in India employed them.
    Would you say Siddis are well integrated into India? Or are they viewed as foreign etc?

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    http://www.njas.helsinki.fi/pdf-file...num1/lodhi.pdf

    The Afro-Indians are generally known as Sidi/Siddi/Sidhi or Habshi/Habsi. These ethnonyms partly tell us that they were in the employ of Sayyads, the Muslim rulers of India, and partly that they came from Ethiopia. Almost all of them are Sunni Muslims, and the few Hindus and Christians are found in Karnataka and Goa respectively. They speak Gujarati in Gujarat, Hindi/Urdu in Andhra Pradesh, an admixture of Gujarati and Hindi in the Saurashtra region of Gujarat. In Cutch they speak Cutchi (a dialect of Sindhi); in Sindh (south-eastern Pakistan) they speak Sindhi proper; and in Daman and Diu they speak Gujarati with many Swahili/Bantu words and phrases.
    In some cases they have special tribal names, e.g. the Tai of Saurashtra, the Shemali of Jambur Village near Madhapur (probably of Somali origin), the Kafara of Diu (probably from southern Mozambique and/or South Africa) and the Saheli of Daman (probably from the Kenya-Tanzania coast). These tribes do not intermarry with one another. Similarly, there are the Royal Sidis, survivors of the former Sidi State of Jafarabad established by the Sidi Naval Chief of Janjira during the time of the warrior King Shivaji of the Maratha in the mid-1800s.
    The Sidis of Jambur are supposed to have originally come from Kano in Nigeria via the Sudan and Mecca after their Hajj pilgrimage. Their leader was a wealthy merchant by the name of Baba Ghor who first settled in the Rajpipla Hills near Broach and Cambay (Khambat) where he developed mining and trade in agate, the precious stone known as Akik in India (and Akiki in Eastern Africa).
    This paper seems well researched. Take a look. Sindhi's and Siddi's are two different ethnic and racial groups, lol.
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    The Siddis did not come from Ethiopia and their genetics don't show any admixture from Ethiopia. Habash in Arabic also was used to refer to black and where the term Habshi for Siddis was probably derived. Most Siddis were brought from East Coast of Africa during Indian Ocean slave trade. Most likely from Tanzania or Kenya or Mozambique because the Portuguese were also involved in the trade. Could be Kikuyu but my guess is Mozambique which does not have Kikuyu populations because the paper said it was likely the Portuguese that likely brought them to India.
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