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    Default Forget multiculturalism: Restore the Anglo-Saxon philosophy of liberty

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax...hy-of-liberty/

    The article makes good points however the only reason why the American colonies were successful and free was because there was more than enough property to go around for workers, and hence the ability for individuals to be self-sustaining. Continental Europe, on the other hand, engaged in an active destruction of individual property rights in favor of handing over that property to wealthy elites (this was during the collapse of feudalism). The difference had nothing to do with culture or philosophy.

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    In America throughout its history people who choose not to own houses, people called homeless, have been harassed by cops. So if people are going to say they value liberty they should respect the right of people to not own property and they should treat citizens as equal under the law regardless of how much stuff they choose to own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ariaka View Post
    In America throughout its history people who choose not to own houses, people called homeless, have been harassed by cops. So if people are going to say they value liberty they should respect the right of people to not own property and they should treat citizens as equal under the law regardless of how much stuff they choose to own.
    The thing is, America is very centered around ownership and private property. The concept of community is looked down upon.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    lol not many people here care about liberty. A lot of straight-up authoritarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    lol not many people here care about liberty. A lot of straight-up authoritarians.
    Your statement isn't actually true, but in real life, even fewer people care about liberty Few concepts are as opposed as liberty, and ironically by the people who are self-styled champions of liberty.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    The thing is, America is very centered around ownership and private property. The concept of community is looked down upon.
    If you could go back in time would you rather live among your ancestors?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpKxRJDmnQI

    Or take part in a bold new concept of community, one filled hope and joy, common core values like collecting welfare for those who are in need. Going for walks and protest marches with the community in a temperate climate; can you think of a better way to strengthen the bonds of camaraderie among your brothers or sisters? Cheap real estate and or communal real estate, gun control, free healthcare. A dream come true; paradise awaits those ready to take control of their future and relocate with like minded brothers and sisters; even better for the environment and carbon gas reduction with all the benefits of extended daylight hours-plenty of sunshine. Just think no more having to use your welfare check to pay for those annoying heating and electricity bills, you can donate the extra funds to your charity of choice.
    ps Franco has an interesting take on the current situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    The thing is, America is very centered around ownership and private property. The concept of community is looked down upon.
    Quite right. That is why they have a huge problem of Suburban Sprawl, with all that this sociological pathology engenders (lack of communal life, poor social cohesion, low walkability of the built environment, higher crime rates, alienation; suburban teens, and hyper individualism, as well as poor management of natural resources).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbbrainer View Post
    Quite right. That is why they have a huge problem of Suburban Sprawl, with all that this sociological pathology engenders (lack of communal life, poor social cohesion, low walkability of the built environment, higher crime rates, alienation; suburban teens, and hyper individualism, as well as poor management of natural resources).
    Well it's not only that, but what's important to understand (and this is extremely important because so few people understand it), is that "freedom" is a bullshit term, and its only purpose as far as politics and ideologies are concerned, is propaganda.

    Take for example the term "free market" (i.e., capitalism): is that really about the market being "free", or is it about ownership and private property? Same with the term "free software", is that really about the software being free, or is it about preventing the source code from being owned privately? Free software (the GPL license in particular) is simply software communism, not freedom, and capitalism isn't at all about the market being free, but rather, your right to buy and own companies (private property) and intellectual property. But both capitalists and communists embellish their respective ideologies with "freedom" this and "freedom" that, because anti-intellectuals like the concept of freedom, so it's a simple way to promote your idea by calling it freedom.

    As for freedom in and of itself, that has always been highly restricted in any civilization. You want freedom? Go live in the jungle.
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    This liberty of extreme individualism is the cancer that has been eating away and eroding European cultural communities or sense of collectivism for more than a century. Capitalism and libertarianism is the enemy of Europeans as it puts more emphasis on profit or individual ambition than it does on social collective cohesion.

    The very ideology of capitalism or libertarianism is that life is a zero sum game and because of this collectivism along with a sense of community is destroyed.

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