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    Quote Originally Posted by hyllus View Post
    A bad list i must say,instead of the Akkadian one you should put the Assyrian one.Ottoman empire and Umayyad relied too much on Islam without Islam their empire would not have lasted even for a single day.

    Top two empires were the Roman and Persian ones.
    I would say Mongol would be third but regarding size it beats the Roman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post

    If the discovery and conquest of the most part of America is not enough for you...there's nothing else to say....
    The first encounters between the Spaniard and Pueblo Indian often resulted in violence. In the late 1530’s, Nuño de Guzman, the Spanish Governor of Nuevo Galacia, conducted slave raiding expeditions against the Indians of northwestern Mexico. News of these bloody raids alarmed the Pueblo Indians of New Mexico. Later, Spanish authorities became aware of his cruelty, arrested him and imprisoned him.


    In 1539, Estebanico the Black, an African from Azemmour, Morocco, was the first Old World visitor to enter the land of the Pueblo Indians. He arrived at Zuni Pueblo (present-day New Mexico) in April 1539. He was killed by the people because he was mistakenly associated with the slave raids of Nuño de Guzman, which took place far to the south in present-day Sinaloa and Sonora, Mexico.

    In 1540, the army of Francisco Vasquéz de Coronado explored New Mexico. Coronado killed Indians and burned and plundered several Rio Grande Pueblos. His brutal actions left a legacy of mistrust among the native peoples. Between 1581 and 1590, several Spanish explorers and missionaries temporarily entered New Mexico, but their presence often resulted in violence. Spanish imperialism resulted in occupation of native lands and the exploitation of the people. Conquistadors, colonizers, missionaries, soldiers, civil and ecclesiastical officials too often abused the native people. The building blocks of Spanish imperialism included Spanish settlement (communities and haciendas or ranches), missions, and military forts. Despite Spanish law, that afforded some rights and protection of the native people, frequently officials not only permitted abusive exploitation (and even slavery) but were participants in these injustices.


    Don Franisco Vásquez de Coronado c. 1540
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    The native people accepted horses, sheep, goats, chickens and pigs. Within a short time, the Pueblo Indians, Apache, Navajo and especially the Plains Indians, became great horsemen.


    1680 Pueblo Rebellion Retreat to El Paso

    During the period of early Spanish settlement (1598-1680), relations between the Pueblo Indians and the Spaniards were strained. Some unscrupulous civil officials and clergy oppressed the native peoples. In August of 1680, the Pueblo Indians in New Mexico rebelled against Spanish injustices. Several hundred settlers were killed and churches, ranches and villages were set afire.

    The Spaniards fled New Mexico and retreated southward to set-up temporary camp at La Salienta (meaning the saline deposit), near modern-day Canutillo, Texas. A short time later, they were relocated the Pass of the North at Guadalupe Mission (modern-day Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua) where they established encampments. Guadalupe Mission was founded in 1659 to convert the neighboring Mansos and Suma Indians.

    El Paso del Norte, meaning in Spanish The Paso of the North, was an important way station on El Camino Real (The Royal Road between Mexico and Santa Fe). Here, teamsters, soldiers, and colonists replenished water and supplies and rested.

    One large group of soldiers and settlers, who escaped during the Pueblo Revolt, arrived at Isleta Pueblo (near modern-day Albuquerque). There, they demanded food and provisions. The people of Isleta Pueblo, located on the southern periphery of the Rio Grande Pueblos, were too distant from the revolt’s planning center to effectively join the rebellion. The Spaniards forced many of the pueblo’s inhabitants to carry supplies south to the Pass of the North.

    The Piro Indians who, as result of the Pueblo Rebellion, abandoned the Pueblos of Senecú, Socorro, Serveitta and Almaillo, and were forced to join the retreat. The refugees also included Tigua and Tompiro Indians who, in the 1670’s, had evacuated the Saline or Gran Quivera Pueblos, located east some 70 miles east of modern-day Socorro, New Mexico, because of drought and frequent Apache depredations. The Indian exiles, under Spanish guard, made the long trek southward to the Pass of the North across the parched desert landscape known as the Journey of Death. Upon arriving at the Pass of the North, they established temporary camps around Guadalupe Mission. Thus, some 317 refugee Indians from Isleta, and the neighboring Piros Pueblos were relocated to the Pass.

    In 1681, Spanish soldiers, led by Governor Antonio Otermín, attempted to re-take New Mexico, but met stiff resistance and retreated southward to Isleta Pueblo where they captured 385 Indians who were forced to join them on the journey to the Pass of the North.

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    ^^^^^^ So what???.... The Americans almost wiped out all the native american pop from what now is USA while in the Spanish America millions of native americans and their descendants still live and dont tell me that the Mongol empire was made of good wishes and actions....

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    If the Ottoman Empire did not exist, would Europeans have discovered the Americas earlier? What's everyone's opinion about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post
    The Spanish Empire was the one who discovered American and changed the history of the world and those ppl put the Russian Empire mostly formed by the iced lands of Siberia as more important???? What a douches!!!

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    If the discovery and conquest of the most part of America is not enough for you...there's nothing else to say....
    The Spanish Empire should make it in the top 10. It changed the demographics and political nature of most of the Americas, and conquered many other lands in Europe, Africa, and Asia as you already mentioned. Again, it's the website's list, we can't fault the thread starter.

    Btw, the Native Americans discovered the Americas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multilingual View Post
    If the Ottoman Empire did not exist, would Europeans have discovered the Americas earlier? What's everyone's opinion about this?
    If Islam and Arab Empire would not existed,would there have been a Ottoman Empire?What is your opinion about this?

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    Anyone can make a list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyllus View Post
    If Islam and Arab Empire would not existed,would there have been a Ottoman Empire?What is your opinion about this?
    Islam brought civilization to both Arabs and Turks, Islam was the reason Arabs and Turks established great empires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangepulp View Post
    Islam brought civilization to both Arabs and Turks, Islam was the reason Arabs and Turks established great empires.
    He was asking recursive question.Funny.We can deepen this further if you want.

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    There's a difference between the Russian empire and all the others. It did not end with the revolution, and it's still there, Russia still has the majority of its empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyllus View Post
    A bad list i must say,instead of the Akkadian one you should put the Assyrian one.Ottoman empire and Umayyad relied too much on Islam without Islam their empire would not have lasted even for a single day.

    Top two empires were the Roman and Persian ones.
    The Roman Empire was an economically incompetent, over-taxed, slave-ridden mess that only looked impressive on a map.

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