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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwestos View Post
    not too many chinese samples.
    So Philippinnos, Malasyans and Indonesiand are practically very simiar- thats what i thought, howeveer Malaysia seems to pull apart and be quite diversed, interesting. I know Malaysia has significant ethnically chinese population, maybe thats why? I am surprised to see some chineese samples being so apart, is it maybe southern-western China and Tibet?

    There have been people in SEA since homoerectus. I'd suspect Malaysians are pulled out because of some undiscovered Archaic or maybe admixture with an Early population. Or perhaps all East Asians share some archaic admixture that Malaysians don't have.



    That notable Chinese population is actually Uygurs.

    there other Chinese samples are too jumbled within the bottom of the Japanese and Korean portion and the top end of the South East Asians to really see them.

    Malaysians, Indonesians and Filipinos are actually not as closely knit as the Japanese and Koreans. Filipinos seem to be spread all the way from the bottom of the altai group( one sample is there it looks like) and then all the way to the right corner, which I think speaks to their complex origins.

    Some of the Filipinos cluster with Indonesians, but it seems as if almost half of them do not.

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    Well I see this thread turning into an Asian ethnic flame war.

    My mtDNA is common in Korea. There, I said it. Now my grandma's ashes are spinning in their urn.

    Now I expect to get a negative rep from a certain crazy Korean guy here.

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    I think it works out to be something like this but I'm definitely not an Authority on the subject.


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    Well,they wouldn't belong to one sub group since Filipinos have their more Southern Mongoloid groups,native Negritos,and certain groups who are admixed Southern Mongoloid and Negritoid.

    Indonesia has quite a stark contrast between it's majority Southern Mongoloid west,and more Melanesian/Australoid eastern islands,such as Timor(Nusa Tenggara),the Moluccas,and finally West Papua.There are also some groups with Near Eastern and East Indian admixture in the western islands such as Sumatra and Java.There are over 300 counted ethnic groups in Indonesia.

    So the two countries,by themselves,are not even one group.The Phillipines is really no slouch in diversity neither.Also,for Indonesians it is probably likely they only tested Javanese people,or majority of the tested were just Javanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upyours View Post
    Well,they wouldn't belong to one sub group since Filipinos have their more Southern Mongoloid groups,native Negritos,and certain groups who are admixed Southern Mongoloid and Negritoid.

    Indonesia has quite a stark contrast between it's majority Southern Mongoloid west,and more Melanesian/Australoid eastern islands,such as Timor,the Moluccas,and finally West Papua.There are also some groups with Near Eastern and East Indian admixture in the western islands such as Sumatra and Java.There are over 300 counted ethnic groups in Indonesia.

    So the two countries,by themselves,are not even one group.The Phillipines is really no slouch in diversity neither.
    Indonesia may have more ethnic groups...but the extremes in diversity among 2 ethnic groups is much wider then anything in Indonesia

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    I can easily tell a Korean, Chinese, and Japanese person apart. Not to mention from Southeast Asians who look considerably different. The OP seems pretty ignorant imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalethewhale View Post
    I can easily tell a Korean, Chinese, and Japanese person apart. Not to mention from Southeast Asians who look considerably different. The OP seems pretty ignorant imo.
    The OP was asking, so its obviously self-admited lack of knowledge in the subject and attempt to learn. I thought it was pretty clear.
    Am I right or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austronesian View Post




    It's pretty much the way nobody in Asia want's it to be. CHinese are pulled much closer to South East Asian "dogs" than they would want. And Koreans and Japanese are almost family, and they absolutely hate each other.
    The Chinese call the Japanese "Dogs" more than they call SEAs. Heck, I rarely ever heard of SEA being called "dogs." :P (must be your experience)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alamchop View Post
    The Chinese call the Japanese "Dogs" more than they call SEAs. Heck, I rarely ever heard of SEA being called "dogs." :P (must be your experience)
    "Hey gwe" or whatever you people call us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwestos View Post
    ps and Korea, people of South and North Korea, apart from being separated politically on the last century, do they differ somehow significantly?

    There isn't significant data on North Korean genetics, for obvious reasons, but keep in mind the political split isn't that old. It's only from after WWII. 1 generation or so isn't enough to significantly alter the genetic population. I've seen a few limited results from people of North Korean descent (living in the West), and from what I saw, they don't look different from South Koreans.

    Also, in response to one reply I saw (too lazy to go back and quote), differences about who's more "Tungid," or "Sinid," or "Paleo-Mongoloid" from some outdated, 1900s crackpot sources are irrelevant in the context of genetics.
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