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    Quote Originally Posted by The American View Post
    Why not Buddha or Laotzu or some other antique do-gooder as a paragon of socialist virtue then?

    Well, given that modern politicians are flip-floppers I can see why they love to appeal to the authority of Jesus:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsZBVII-sJ0
    Cause they are pretty absent in western politics and world of ideas, outside of hollywood and bollywood.

    Jesus is used as a tool. He is like a hammer used to massage body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwestos View Post
    Jesus is used as a tool. He is like a hammer used to massage body.
    Politicians refer to the authority of Jesus and the Almighty in an attempt to dupe the masses and nothing more. Take the so-called social gospel, and all of this talk of equality, justice, and whatnot, yet when you read the Christian scribblings you see that Jesus sort of assumed inequality in society (i.e. rich people, poor people, slaves, masters, etc.). Politicizing religion is one of the oldest tools of mass control around, yet few realize this.
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    Assumed inequality? Marx assumed inequality too.
    He is used by right not by left usually. He is easier to use by the left, but the right tries to use him more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwestos View Post
    Assumed inequality? Marx assumed inequality too.
    He is used by right not by left usually. He is easier to use by the left, but the right tries to use him more.
    Therein lies the trouble. Hint, take a look at my fuhfreristic sig about the fallacious nature of universalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    1) Christianity nowadays has nothing to do with Jesus or the first Christians. (i.e. The fist pope was married)
    This is largely true. However, the original Christian elements are still there.

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    2) Socialism is not about helping the poor.
    Well, that's a different discussion. The point is, Jesus was anti-profit, pro-charity and so on, and that's what socialists usually champion. Or so they say, anyway.

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    3) Americans are very socialist, they think they are capitalist but it is not truth.
    America's economy is a mixed economy, and that's the case for pretty much all first world countries. You can't have a country that's 100% purist capitalism or communism. Doesn't work like that in the real world.

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    4) Christianity as institution profess the Capitalism.
    Totally not true. Christianity is very anti-capitalist. Jesus strongly argued against the rich and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    Some priest are very socialist, but the Vatican always favor the rich, the corporations and they have an agenda against the Communism.
    The Vatican isn't really Christianity (it's a continuation of the old Roman Empire's culture and traditions, with Christianity being the official religion rather than Paganism).

    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    There are some things to clarify:

    1) American Christians are involved in charity, they are very conscious about helping the poor or the weak. They often adopt kids from the third world and try to help people doing volunteer work.
    It's very few Americans who adopt third world children or give to charity.

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    2) The American fanatical Christians in the right (often rednecks) are Christians but they dont act according to the Christianity, they act upon ignorance.
    American rednecks are just tribal, that's all.

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    3) The American Christian Right as a political movement is a populism, many of them are not believers they use Christianity to attract votes.
    Yeah. The American right plays on the general public's ethnic interests, whereas the left pushes on the humanist buttons ("we're all in this together", climate change and so on).
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