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    What is your opinion regarding how Islam and Muslims people in general have been treated in the West, especially in the last decade? Is it unfair? Justified?

    In my view, there has been a unfair representation of Muslims in Western media because of the actions of a few fringe Muslims. It has led to wild generalisations and thus ignorance towards such a large and diverse group of people. The reputation and image of Muslims has thus been hurt in much of the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosov View Post
    What is your opinion regarding how Islam and Muslims people in general have been treated in the West, especially in the last decade? Is it unfair? Justified?

    In my view, there has been a unfair representation of Muslims in Western media because of the actions of a few fringe Muslims. It has led to wild generalisations and thus ignorance towards such a large and diverse group of people. The reputation and image of Muslims has thus been hurt in much of the West.

    In the last decade Islam has been treated horribly in the West...in my opinion. I don't think it's fair because you can't generalize a whole people like that...but that's just me.

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    If you are living in big and rich European cities such as Berlin, Hamburg, London etc, then you dont suffer as a Muslim and you dont care what other Europeans think about your religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosov View Post
    What is your opinion regarding how Islam and Muslims people in general have been treated in the West, especially in the last decade? Is it unfair? Justified?

    In my view, there has been a unfair representation of Muslims in Western media because of the actions of a few fringe Muslims. It has led to wild generalisations and thus ignorance towards such a large and diverse group of people. The reputation and image of Muslims has thus been hurt in much of the West.
    Well if we can contribute the bad reputation to the Muslims it will be the Saudi Arabia with its huge oil resources which supported to spread their Wahhabi ideology throughout the rest of Muslim World.No wonder such an ideology is treated bad.

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    They have to be demonize to get the people to support grabbing their land for petrol.

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    Man, Islamophobia is evident everywhere. However on daily activites nothing except if you show u r muslim eg hijab

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    Obama shows his loyalty to Islamic Jihadists.

    President Obama is planning to transfer at least 18 more Guantanamo Bay detainees within days after announcing that four prisoners are being sent to Saudi Arabia, DailyMail.com has learned.

    The group being released will be drawn from those held at Guantanamo - who include an accused senior al Qaeda bomb-maker, the terror group's top financial manager, and two intended 9/11 hijackers, who have all been held in the Cuba-based U.S. detention facility for more than a decade.

    According to a military source briefed on the process, as total of 22 detainees are being prepared for transfer out of the camp, also known as Gitmo, before January 20.

    On Thursday afternoon, the Pentagon announced the 'transfer' of four detainees to Saudi Arabia - Yemenis Salem Ahmed Hadi, Mohammed Ghanim, Mohammed Bawazir, and Abdullah al Shabli.

    A source told DailyMail.com there will be three more sets of transfers before Obama leaves office on January 20.

    Although the White House has not specified which inmates will be transferred next – or which foreign countries have agreed to accept them – it has indicated that this will be a priority for Obama in his final days in office.

    'I can't speak to any individual notifications that have been made to Congress or give you a specific preview about upcoming transfers,' said White House press secretary Josh Earnest.

    'I think I would expect at this point additional transfers to be announced before January 20th.'

    Obama will likely focus on moving detainees who have been 'cleared for transfer' – a group that includes the alleged head of al Qaeda's bomb-manufacturing operation in eastern Afghanistan, the head of al Qaeda's Tunisian faction in Afghanistan, and senior weapons trainers.

    Those held in Guantanamo in recent years have been dubbed 'the worst of the worst' by military and intelligence officials.

    But the move would come close to fulfilling Obama's campaign promise from nearly a decade ago to close the U.S. military detention center located at the base in Cuba.
    FREED DETAINEES WHO RETURNED TO TERROR

    A series of those already freed from the Cuban facility have gone straight back to jihad. They include:

    Ibrahim Sen: Held in Guantanamo Bay from February 2002 until November 8, 2003. Released to Turkey because U.S. officials reportedly could not find strong evidence tying him to al Qaeda. Has since been arrested twice in Turkey and charged with leading an al Qaeda cell.

    Abdullah Mahsud (above): Freed to Pakistan in March 2004. Later that year, he 'kidnapped two Chinese engineers and claimed responsibility for an Islamabad hotel bombing', according to a report by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency. Blew himself up in 2007 after being accused of orchestrating a suicide attack which killed 31.

    Abdallah Salih al Ajmi: Freed to Kuwait in 2005. Three years later he blew himself up in the Iraqi city of Mosul, killing seven people.

    Ibrahim Qosi (above): Freed in 2012 to Sudan. Two years later, became a leader in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and has been featured in the terror group's videos. The group has a at least three other senior members who were in Guantanamo and freed. It has taken credit for a string of international terror attacks, including the Charlie Hebdo shooting in 2015 and the attempted Christmas Day 'underwear' bombing in 2009.

    But it is vehemently opposed by Republicans and the incoming Trump administration. The president-elect has already warned against any transfers at all, meaning the 22 planned moves will be another source of tension in the transition.

    Fifty-nine enemy combatants in total still remain at Guantanamo, including terror 'mastermind' Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, two of the '20th hijackers' for the 9/11 attacks, and the strategists behind the USS Cole bombing of 2000.

    The group includes al Qaeda henchmen from around the world who are trained in lethal military tactics – ranging from sniper assassins and rocket-propelled grenade operators, to explosives and chemical weapons experts.

    The Guantanamo Bay detention center has come under significant criticism due to the indefinite detention of some prisoners, many of whom are held without official charges. Obama has promised since his 2008 campaign to shut down the prison.

    Although US military officials have issued reports explaining the reasons for continued detentions, many of the accusations are based on claims from other captives or from intelligence that cannot be verified in court.

    Supporters of the prison say it is necessary to keep it open due to the national security threat posed by the detainees and the difficulty of compiling a traditional legal case against battlefield terrorists.

    President-elect Trump pushed back on Obama's plan to release additional detainees this week, calling it 'dangerous.'

    'There should be no further releases from Gitmo,' wrote Trump on Twitter this week. 'These are extremely dangerous people and should not be allowed back onto the battlefield.'

    Senate Republicans have also expressed their opposition to Obama's move.

    Senator Tom Cotton told DailyMail.com that he will work with Trump to ensure that Guantanamo Bay remains open.

    'Guantanamo is a first-rate, humane facility for the long-term detention and interrogation of hardened terrorists,' said Cotton. 'I look forward to working with President Trump to ensuring it remains filled with senior al Qaeda and ISIL [ISIS] terrorists.'

    The remaining 59 Guantanamo prisoners include 17 'high-value' detainees, seven of whom are currently facing military charges, according to the New York Times.

    Three others have already been convicted of war crimes, and an additional 26 are being detained indefinitely and are not recommended for transfer.

    Twenty three others have been 'recommended for transfer' to foreign countries under certain security conditions, such as the detainees attending a rehabilitation program. But the requirements are left relatively vague, and are ultimately up to the foreign government to enforce.

    According to the Department of Justice guidelines, inmates can only be considered for continued detention at Guantanamo Bay if they meet three criteria: their continued detention is deemed 'lawful,' they are unable to be prosecuted in a court, and they pose a security threat that 'cannot be sufficiently mitigated through feasible and appropriate security measures.'

    Prisoners who are not eligible for continued detention are recommended for transfer.

    The list of 'recommended for transfer' prisoners includes a number of top al Qaeda operatives and commanders.

    One of these detainees, Mohammed al Ansi, has spent 15 years in Gitmo.

    US military officials claim he 'received specialized close combat training for his role as a suicide operative in an aborted component of the 11 September 2001 al-Qaida attacks.'

    The attack, which was later cancelled by al Qaeda because of difficulties with coordinating timing, was supposed to include the hijacking of a plane in Southeast Asia with the intent of crashing it into a US military base.

    One of the other recommended transfers, Bostan Karim, is accused of running al Qaeda's improvised explosive devices (IED) operations in Khowst, Afghanistan, which targeted US soldiers.

    Some of the recommended transfers have also vowed to return to jihad if they are ever released, according to reports from US military officials. They have also threatened to assassinate the U.S. president, kill American citizens, and attack other world leaders who are allied with the West.

    Muieen Abdal Sattar, an accused al Qaeda member who fought in Tora Bora, has been at Guantanamo for 14 years and 11 months. While there he has 'incited mass disturbances, assaulted and threatened to kill [Gitmo] personnel and made motivational speeches to 'fight against infidels' and to kill all Americans to include men, women, children, and babies,' according to US military officials.

    Officials claimed he has also issued several 'fatwas' encouraging other detainees to engage in hunger strikes and suicide attempts, and once threatened to cut off a guard's head.

    Others have vowed to 'martyr' themselves if released, and even while in Guantanamo, according to official military reports. Accused al Qaeda member Mohammed Bawazir reportedly agreed to be 'a voluntary suicide operative' in a suicide attack inside Gitmo, planned with two other detainees.

    It is unclear where the detainees will be transferred. Obama has previously transferred 'recommended' Gitmo detainees to countries that agree to accept them, sending nine prisoners to Saudi Arabia last spring and another to Italy in July.

    Some released detainees have gone back into terrorism. Four of the senior leaders in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) are former Guantanamo Bay detainees that were transferred to Saudi Arabia or Sudan.

    Over half of the currently 'recommended' detainees are from Yemen, a country where the Department of Defense has tried to avoid transferring Gitmo prisoners due to the recent resurgence in terror activity.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Americans.html

    So Bush released a load of people, who were rounded up in the aftermath of 911. A load of 'maybe's' who were easy to rule out. Obama is left with the most dangerous, i.e. likely, cases. Why didn't he release them before? Because he knows they are dangerous and didn't want them doing anything on his watch. Obama is too chickenshit to release a sworn president killer during his own watch, but happy to do it when the new guy is about to take over? Knowing this killer is a serious threat and keeping him locked up during his own watch, but planting a killer into the world when the new guy starts, with a hope that the new guy gets it. Why is he releasing them now, 2 weeks before his term is over? Because he doesn't care if they commit or support more terrorism, and may even be doing it as a parting gift for the new guy, especially putting a sworn president killer back into circulation just as he starts. Obozo Hussein Odumbo loves Muslims, he invites Muslim terrorists to the White House for crying out loud. Why won't the Saudis take all the nutcases in Gitmo? It's not as if they're that much crazier, than the regime ruling the country.




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    European countries radicalize their muslim minorities in the schools and mosques. They specially dont control on imams speachs, they can spread whatever they want to the community (or whatever european states want them to do!). In the schools, with the name of 'türkish class', they try to teach quran with arab shits to türkish kids in belgium. When u want your kid to socialize with your own community and learn your own language grammer, you dont expect them to learn quran in arabic(! how its useful?) come home radicalize and think he/she is arab(!). Thanks to europe, that happens.
    Then they think everybody in the world are weirdo like their radicalized minorities.

    I dont know about American continent
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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    I dont know about American continent
    It got worse with Obama and Trudeau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    It got worse with Obama and Trudeau.
    I wouldnt put them in the same judgement. I think Trudeau is just like a naive european person. He is an idealist. He just doesnt understand its a newer religion which couldnt perform its own reform.

    Obama, on the other hand, I think he has an agenda and worked favor on islamism both in the middle east and USA

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