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    Carla Campbell - Jamaican model

    How common is this type of looks over there, @Iron Hand ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    How common is this type of looks over there, @Iron Hand ?
    Her look is quite common among Jamaican women.

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    Kumina in Jamaica - Our Western Congolese roots.

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    Are the Chinese taking over Jamaica?
    Depends who you ask. Some say Yes. Some say No.

    My opinion... Kinda. However, China is taking over many places around the world. Even when it comes to Chinese loans they are much more favourable than loans from the World Bank and the IMF.

    Do I trust China? No. Do I trust the West? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    My opinion... Kinda. However, China is taking over many places around the world. Even when it comes to Chinese loans they are much more favourable than loans from the World Bank and the IMF.
    Only because of liberalized trade restrictions in places like Canada, Australia/NZ, and the EU. Which is why I don't vote for libtards.

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    Do I trust China? No. Do I trust the West? No.
    I don't trust global socialists, and neither should anyone else. The chinese are two sides of the same coin (they're in bed with those pieces of shit), there's a reason the chinese are big supporters of (international) free trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarcastic View Post
    Only because of liberalized trade restrictions in places like Canada, Australia/NZ, and the EU. Which is why I don't vote for libtards.
    Nah. It's because China is richer and it wants to. You think that voting for a conservative will stop it from happening? The same right wing that sent over all the manufacturing jobs to China in the first place.


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    I don't trust global socialists, and neither should anyone else. The chinese are two sides of the same coin (they're in bed with those pieces of shit), there's a reason the chinese are big supporters of (international) free trade.
    International trade is a great thing (of course it should have some level of restrictions.)
    If it's worth anything I don't trust unregulated/free market/laissez faire capitalism or communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    Nah. It's because China is richer and it wants to. You think that voting for a conservative will stop it from happening? The same right wing that sent over all the manufacturing jobs to China in the first place.
    That was actually under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations via the trade expansion act. But the hallmarks of liberalized trade restrictions, predates either of their administrations, and predates the collapse of the manufacturing industry in America (by several decades in fact). It actually dates back to Roosevelt, who signed the reciprocal trade agreement act back in the early 1930s. Libtards been libtarding for a long time bruh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    International trade is a great thing (of course it should have some level of restrictions.)
    If it's worth anything I don't trust unregulated/free market/laissez faire capitalism or communism.
    Show me any area of "capitalist" societies where there are multiple forces LEGITIMATELY competing in a relatively unregulated (domestic) market, and I'll show you that they perform far better than any of those countries' trade markets monopolized by socialized or mixed economy politics.

    Ever heard of things like plastic and corrective eye surgeries? Most of these services are almost entirely free market in America and not covered by insurance companies (with the exception of life-saving reconstructive surgery, or in situations where someone's vision is at high risk of severe deterioration); peep how once upon a time when they first emerged as a service available to the general public, the cost for something like a hair transplant could cost you in the hundreds of thousands of dollars (something that would have only been affordable to the wealthiest of americans in the mid-20th). Today, hair transplant costs can range from as little as a couple thousand dollars to between ~$15k-~$20k USD (i.e., full hair restoration procedures). Yes the latter procedures can be expensive (even by today's standards), but NO WHERE the EXORBITANT amount they once cost in the mid-20th (which is why even the middle class can enjoy it). You saw the same thing happen with lasik procedures. Used to be something like tens of thousands of dollars per eye when it first became available. Today it can be had for a couple hundred per eye.

    So to recap, not only are things like recovery times MUCH shorter today (for both hair transplants and corrective eye surgeries), and their operative precision MUCH improved relative when they first became available. But both procedures can be had for substantially LESS MONEY, by substantially MORE PEOPLE (from various walks of life), in an era where the value of your money has NEVER been higher (adjusted for inflation). That means you're paying less money today, for a service that would have cost you an arm and a leg, at a time when world currency valuation would have been substantially lower (compared to today). That means your dollar (I'm aware you use different currency) is going a longer way, despite that the inflation rate in just the last nearly quarter century, has risen something like ~70%. The law of multiple market forces (as opposed to corporate monopolies) naturally engenders and fosters robust competition. Conversely, competition between (domestic) free market forces, raises the quality of goods and services, invariably lowers prices, and thus ultimately provides more accessibility to those goods and services, to the wider public.

    Crony capitalism on the other hand (which benefits from/is facilitated by socialization of domestic trade policies), does the complete opposite. See the health care system in America which is monopolized by crony insurance corps and is not living up to its fullest potential. There's a reason crony corps tend to favor restrictive/interventionist internal trade policies, and back liberal political groups (that they are well connected to).

    As for completely socialized institutions... Bwuahahahahahaha. How's your or my postal system doing compared to competitive delivery services like DHL, FedEx, and UPS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarcastic View Post
    That was actually under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations via the trade expansion act. But the hallmarks of liberalized trade restrictions, predates either of their administrations, and predates the collapse of the manufacturing industry in America (by several decades in fact). It actually dates back to Roosevelt, who signed the reciprocal trade agreement act back in the early 1930s. Libtards been libtarding for a long time bruh.



    Show me any area of "capitalist" societies where there are multiple forces LEGITIMATELY competing in a relatively unregulated (domestic) market, and I'll show you that they perform far better than any of those countries' trade markets monopolized by socialized or mixed economy politics.

    Ever heard of things like plastic and corrective eye surgeries? Most of these services are almost entirely free market in America and not covered by insurance companies (with the exception of life-saving reconstructive surgery, or in situations where someone's vision is at high risk of severe deterioration); peep how once upon a time when they first emerged as a service available to the general public, the cost for something like a hair transplant could cost you in the hundreds of thousands of dollars (something that would have only been affordable to the wealthiest of americans in the mid-20th). Today, hair transplant costs can range from as little as a couple thousand dollars to between ~$15k-~$20k USD (i.e., full hair restoration procedures). Yes the latter procedures can be expensive (even by today's standards), but NO WHERE the EXORBITANT amount they once cost in the mid-20th (which is why even the middle class can enjoy it). You saw the same thing happen with lasik procedures. Used to be something like tens of thousands of dollars per eye when it first became available. Today it can be had for a couple hundred per eye.

    So to recap, not only are things like recovery times MUCH shorter today (for both hair transplants and corrective eye surgeries), and their operative precision MUCH improved relative when they first became available. But both procedures can be had for substantially LESS MONEY, by substantially MORE PEOPLE (from various walks of life), in an era where the value of your money has NEVER been higher (adjusted for inflation). That means you're paying less money today, for a service that would have cost you an arm and a leg, at a time when world currency valuation would have been substantially lower (compared to today). That means your dollar (I'm aware you use different currency) is going a longer way, despite that the inflation rate in just the last nearly quarter century, has risen something like ~70%. The law of multiple market forces (as opposed to corporate monopolies) naturally engenders and fosters robust competition. Conversely, competition between (domestic) free market forces, raises the quality of goods and services, invariably lowers prices, and thus ultimately provides more accessibility to those goods and services, to the wider public.

    Crony capitalism on the other hand (which benefits from/is facilitated by socialization of domestic trade policies), does the complete opposite. See the health care system in America which is monopolized by crony insurance corps and is not living up to its fullest potential. There's a reason crony corps tend to favor restrictive/interventionist internal trade policies, and back liberal political groups (that they are well connected to).

    As for completely socialized institutions... Bwuahahahahahaha. How's your or my postal system doing compared to competitive delivery services like DHL, FedEx, and UPS?
    You seem to fall for the idea that crony capitalism and free market capitalism aren't part and parcel of each other. Free market capitalism always leads to crony capitalism. Why? Because nature abhors vacuum. As the 'market' becomes more free, the competition does rise but eventually some entities come out on top. How do these companies/players get on top? Sometimes by being the best. Sometimes having better marketing. Many times by absorbing other companies. Many times by nefarious means. Either way they get to the top.
    Once on top they usually find ways to stay on top. Like bribery (politicians or what not). Buying out other competitors. Sometimes by straight up unethical means.
    That's the nature of free market capitalism. It doesn't stay free for long. It can't stay free for long... not ethically anyway. It's kinda ironic isn't it.
    You may say that buying out other competitors isn't unethical or illegal. True. However, it does destroy competition. Ironically, it would take government intervention to stop or inhibit the buying up of companies. That would very much be against the principle of free markets.
    America is going through a 2nd Gilded Age with the practically the same effects as the 1st one (the gap between rich and poor increasing, corruption, scandals, people preaching alternative economic ideologies). Ironically during the Gilded Age markets were very much free.
    No thanks, I don't want another Gilded Age. Free markets and capitalism mustn't go together. Much like State regulation and socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    You seem to fall for the idea that crony capitalism and free market capitalism aren't part and parcel of each other. Free market capitalism always leads to crony capitalism. Why? Because nature abhors vacuum. As the 'market' becomes more free, the competition does rise but eventually some entities come out on top. How do these companies/players get on top? Sometimes by being the best. Sometimes having better marketing. Many times by absorbing other companies. Many times by nefarious means. Either way they get to the top.
    Once on top they usually find ways to stay on top. Like bribery (politicians or what not). Buying out other competitors. Sometimes by straight up unethical means.
    That's the nature of free market capitalism. It doesn't stay free for long. It can't stay free for long... not ethically anyway. It's kinda ironic isn't it.
    You may say that buying out other competitors isn't unethical or illegal. True. However, it does destroy competition. Ironically, it would take government intervention to stop or inhibit the buying up of companies. That would very much be against the principle of free markets.
    America is going through a 2nd Gilded Age with the practically the same effects as the 1st one (the gap between rich and poor increasing, corruption, scandals, people preaching alternative economic ideologies). Ironically during the Gilded Age markets were very much free.
    No thanks, I don't want another Gilded Age. Free markets and capitalism mustn't go together. Much like State regulation and socialism.
    In other words, humans tend to favor Empire. What you described above could be used as a summation of how the British Empire became master of the world, one which combined diplomatic maneuvering, military might and commercial practices all rolled into one. Chaotic, yes, but unconsciously tending to the same end goal.

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