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    all non A and B are Eurasian evolved...

    Elizabeth T Wood, Daryn A Stover, Christopher Ehret et al., "Contrasting patterns of Y chromosome and mtDNA variation in Africa: evidence for sex-biased demographic processes," European Journal of Human Genetics (2005) 13, 867–876

    Bakola Pygmies (Cameroon, South)
    3/33 = 9.1% A-M91*

    2/33 = 6.1% B-M182*
    2/33 = 6.1% B-M152
    1/33 = 3.0% B-50f2*
    5/33 = 15.2% B total

    1/33 = 3.0% E-M54
    7/33 = 21.2% E-P1*
    17/33 = 51.5% E-M191
    25/33 = 75.8% E total

    Dama (Namibia)
    1/18 = 5.6% A-P28
    1/18 = 5.6% A-M51
    2/18 = 11.1% A total

    1/18 = 5.6% B-M182*

    1/18 = 5.6% E-SRY4064*
    1/18 = 5.6% E-M75*
    1/18 = 5.6% E-M54
    6/18 = 33.3% E-P1*
    4/18 = 22.2% E-M191
    13/18 = 72.2% E total

    1/18 = 5.6% J-12f2
    1/18 = 5.6% R-M269
    2/18 = 11.1% IJK total


    Biaka Pygmies (CAR)
    1/31 = 3.2% B-M182*
    1/31 = 3.2% B-M152
    1/31 = 3.2% B-50f2*
    14/31 = 45.2% B-P7
    17/31 = 54.8% B total

    2/31 = 6.5% E-P1*
    12/31 = 38.7% E-M191
    14/31 = 45.2% E total

    !Kung/Sekele (Namibia)
    5/32 = 15.6% A-P3*
    3/32 = 9.4% A-P28
    7/32 = 21.9% A-M51
    15/32 = 46.9% A total

    1/32 = 3.1% B-P6
    2/32 = 6.3% B-P7
    3/32 = 9.4% B total

    6/32 = 18.8% E-P1*
    4/32 = 12.5% E-M191
    4/32 = 12.5% E-M35*
    14/32 = 43.8% E total

    Mbuti Pygmies (DRC)
    1/47 = 2.1% A-M13

    3/47 = 6.4% B-M182*
    5/47 = 10.6% B-M150*
    10/47 = 21.3% B-50f2*
    10/47 = 21.3% B-P7
    28/47 = 59.6% B total

    2/47 = 4.3% E-M54
    3/47 = 6.4% E-P1*
    13/47 = 27.7% E-M191
    18/47 = 38.3% E total

    Baka Pygmies (CAR)
    1/18 = 5.6% B-M150*
    12/18 = 66.7% B-P7
    13/18 = 72.2% B total

    5/18 = 27.8% E-M191

    Nama (Namibia)
    1/11 = 9.1% A-P28
    6/11 = 54.5% A-M51
    7/11 = 63.6% A total

    1/11 = 9.1% E-P1*
    1/11 = 9.1% E-M191
    1/11 = 9.1% E-M35*
    3/11 = 27.3% E total

    1/11 = 9.1% R-M269

    Tsumkwe San (Namibia)

    8/29 = 27.6% A-P3*
    5/29 = 17.2% A-P28
    6/29 = 20.7% A-M51
    19/29 = 65.5% A total

    7/29 = 24.1% B-P6
    2/29 = 6.9% B-P7
    9/29 = 31.0% B total

    1/29 = 3.4% E-M35*

    this was my non-orthodox theory that I flirted with way before Henn et al's paper or Dienekes TreeMix run...

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...5&postcount=43

    West Eurasian components that I've labeled "the Six" group together, but the Northwest African one is intermediate between the others and the two African components.
    Now, let's allow one migration edge:

    Now, the Northwest African component seems derived from what could be called "Indigenous Northwest Africans" but there is a migration edge going to it from a southern Caucasoid population.
    good job Dienekes..

    if E has evolved in East Africa ,than why we don't see any migration edge arrows are going in the opposite direction ?



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    I don't think found any Eurasian mixture in Yoruba, lets be real, African populations are the most diverse on the planet and they are not going to cluster into one little discrete African group. San and Pygmies, his proxies for true Africans, are the most isolate and distinct in Africa, even from other Africans, their slight admixture with some Bantus has not totally erased their distinctiveness. There has been some genetic exchange between Africans and West Eurasians but much very much between Africans and East Eurasians so little surprise here at Africans and West Eurasians being closer to each other than Africans and East Eurasians.

    People have to read Dienekes' other blog posts to get a sense of how and why he interprets his results, he treats "Eurasians" in this analysis as an unmixed group and ignores African genetic diversity. In his previous blogposts, he not only believes DE and haplogroup E originated in Eurasian in Arabia, he also believes mtDNA haplogroup L3 originated there too, so when he does analyses like this with these results there is no shock in his interpretation. People need to familiarize themselves in how these admixture programs work and how PCAs are to be interpreted instead using a typological approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    There's R-V88 in Chadic speakers, and geographically they're not too far off from the Yoruba.

    Now obviously, the Yoruba don't have 64% proto-Caucasoid admixture, but the possibility of some of the autosomal DNA in the Middle Eastern proto-Chadics flowing over into the Yorubas, shouldn't be ruled out. Of course, at most it could be something like 5% if it ever happened that way.

    ^^ This is not my opinion, by the way, just postulating a scenario. Personally, I'm of the opinion that until proven otherwise, the Yoruba are racially pure. Didn't the Maasai have some Europid admixture though?

    I find it highly ironic though, that Game Theory and BootyMan are complaining here about the lack of Negro racial purity in the Yoruba in Dienekes' latest run. So they're not racially pure enough for you? They too white now? You two have been hardcore race denial advocates, so this is how it should be according to your races don't exist views, because Dienekes' nonsensical approach (he probably thinks he's on to something) should be supported by you race deniers.

    But apparently, there is such a thing as Negro racial purity, just no Caucasian race, right?

    It's quite possible it did actually. Could perhaps explain why Horners show "Asian" on 23andMe. Also, D doesn't exist in "Africa" but E exists in Europe and "Asia".
    That's the question of the century isn't it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by yahooland View Post
    Not really in fact, because Yoruba show more affinity with west-eurasian than with east-eurasian.

    Maybe this is why there is EurAsian admixture (if there is any) ...

    http://www.livius.org/ha-hd/hanno/hanno01.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_the_Navigator

    http://www.livius.org/he-hg/herodotus/hist01.htm

    http://www.sevenoceans.com/MaritimeD...foreChrist.htm



    And possible source for any Asian autosomal dna in Africans:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient...explorers.html

    http://www.lovegiraffe.com/history/t...erors-giraffe/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    I don't think found any Eurasian mixture in Yoruba, lets be real, African populations are the most diverse on the planet and they are not going to cluster into one little discrete African group. San and Pygmies, his proxies for true Africans, are the most isolate and distinct in Africa, even from other Africans, their slight admixture with some Bantus has not totally erased their distinctiveness. There has been some genetic exchange between Africans and West Eurasians but much very much between Africans and East Eurasians so little surprise here at Africans and West Eurasians being closer to each other than Africans and East Eurasians.

    People have to read Dienekes' other blog posts to get a sense of how and why he interprets his results, he treats "Eurasians" in this analysis as an unmixed group and ignores African genetic diversity. In his previous blogposts, he not only believes DE and haplogroup E originated in Eurasian in Arabia, he also believes mtDNA haplogroup L3 originated there too, so when he does analyses like this with these results there is no shock in his interpretation. People need to familiarize themselves in how these admixture programs work and how PCAs are to be interpreted instead using a typological approach.
    I made this post a long time ago and guess what, I was right, guess I'm an extreme "Afrocentric" who just happened to be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    I made this post a long time ago and guess what, I was right, guess I'm an extreme "Afrocentric" who just happened to be correct.
    Afrocentrism has nothing to do with it. It’s just that you have to be an appeasing weaselling negro to get away with expressing certain views here. When you don’t make certain compromises, they’ll just take turns shitting on what you say. No matter what evidence you post. Don’t know why you bother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Afrocentrism has nothing to do with it. It’s just that you have to be an appeasing weaselling negro to get away with expressing certain views here. When you don’t make certain compromises, they’ll just take turns shitting on what you say. No matter what evidence you post. Don’t know why you bother...
    THIS!!!! I've been saying this for years. I always ask the seemingly conscious (and intelligent) "Black" posters why they continue to argue with folks who will never respect their arguments no matter how much data-driven, peer-reviewed references/sources they provide... you're still just a "Nigger" in their eyes. It's pointless. The only "Black" posters they tolerate are the ones who don't know they are (nor do they want to be) "Black"... socially, ethnically and/or by "race." It is what it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Afrocentrism has nothing to do with it. It’s just that you have to be an appeasing weaselling negro to get away with expressing certain views here. When you don’t make certain compromises, they’ll just take turns shitting on what you say. No matter what evidence you post. Don’t know why you bother...
    I agree, in fact, there was a time when I used to email geneticists and anthropologists for answers and share some of those personal communications in this group and don't you know that people still dismissed it and "Afrocentric" while continuing to quote the very same anthropologists and geneticists against me? I have no interest in trying to convince these pseudo-intellectuals of anything, but they make it a point to come on my topics and troll.
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    Unnecessary bump; you're not discussing whatever topic there was in this thread. Use one of your existing Eurasia component threads, and no one cares about what Dienekes thinks anyway.

    Thread closed.

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